Scary shit in UK....

[karekora]

Thought this was interesting..
http://www.terrorize.dk/misc/london/london.terror.games.wmv

A 'terror management company' practicing fake simultaneous attacks on the London public transportation system while the actual bombs were going off..

Anyone heard anything else on this?

GJ

gee thats too spooky. maybe the terrorists knew about this? thought it would be a laugh to but practise to reality?

[AssKissinger]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050712/ap_on_re_eu/britain_bombings_56

A town councilor told The Associated Press that at least three of the presumed suicide bombers were British citizens of Pakistani ancestry.

[GuyJean]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050712/ap_on_re_eu/britain_bombings_56

A town councilor told The Associated Press that at least three of the presumed suicide bombers were British citizens of Pakistani ancestry.

But, but.. I thought we killed all the Pakistani terrorists, in Iraq..

GJ

[Samurai_Jerk]

Fucking Ridiculous.

BBC edits out the word terrorist

The BBC has re-edited some of its coverage of the London Underground and bus bombings to avoid labelling the perpetrators as "terrorists", it was disclosed yesterday.
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The BBC's guidelines state that its credibility is undermined by the "careless use of words which carry emotional or value judgments".

Consequently, "the word 'terrorist' itself can be a barrier rather than an aid to understanding" and its use should be "avoided", the guidelines say.

[cstaylor]

What I don't understand is why these foreign Imams are allowed into England at all?

[Socratesabroad]

Fucking Ridiculous.

BBC edits out the word terrorist

The BBC has re-edited some of its coverage of the London Underground and bus bombings to avoid labelling the perpetrators as "terrorists", it was disclosed yesterday.
...

The BBC's guidelines state that its credibility is undermined by the "careless use of words which carry emotional or value judgments".

Consequently, "the word 'terrorist' itself can be a barrier rather than an aid to understanding" and its use should be "avoided", the guidelines say.

Sad, very, very sad...

"If all printers were determined not to print anything till they were sure it would offend nobody, there would be very little printed." - Benjamin Franklin

[Samurai_Jerk]

"If all printers were determined not to print anything till they were sure it would offend nobody, there would be very little printed." - Benjamin Franklin

Great quote.

[nullpointer]

What I don't understand is why these foreign Imams are allowed into England at all?

In the early 1900's, before India was divided into the current states of India and Pakistan (Also Bangladesh) by the british, there were a lot of people who were either taken (as in labour or soldiers for WWI and WWII) or sons and daughters of the rich who went to britannia to study and settled down there. The current generation is maybe the 3rd or 4th generation. Of course there were also a large number of people who kept on migrating to England fr0m Pakistan even after Independence in 1947. There is a reason the slur 'paki' originated fr0m London.

[Greji]

Fucking Ridiculous.

BBC edits out the word terrorist

T"the word 'terrorist' itself can be a barrier rather than an aid to understanding" and its use should be "avoided", the guidelines say.

The dudes went in there with bombs to kill as many people as possible. What is the barrier to understanding that?

If those are the guidelines, I would sure like to know what their criteria is to identify a real terrroist!

[Greji]

Fucking Ridiculous.

BBC edits out the word terrorist

T"the word 'terrorist' itself can be a barrier rather than an aid to understanding" and its use should be "avoided", the guidelines say.

I mean what part of terrorist is it that BBC doesn't understand, or finds insensitive?

[GuyJean]

The BBC has re-edited some of its coverage of the London Underground and bus bombings to avoid labelling the perpetrators as "terrorists", it was disclosed yesterday.

Pretty lame.. Of course, there's the other end of the spectrum; 'high taxes are a form of economic terrorism'!..

Spray around a word enough and it tends to dilute the meaning.. IMO.

GJ

[GomiGirl]

I was starting to panic as a good friend of mine in London was not replying to emails and her phone was off for about a week. I knew she lived near Kings Cross station and used it to get to work.

But thankfully she has just surfaced.. it seems like she was on holidays on a remote island off the coast of Scotland without phone coverage or internet access. Funny how we all just rely so much these days on instant communication.

I wonder how families used to cope during the world wars when they may not have known for weeks that a friend or a loved one was in danger..

I found out within 30 minutes of the blast that all the people I knew that were possibly affected were safe and well. (Except for the girl hiding in Scotland)

[karekora]

from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4679001.stm

SUSPECTED BOMBERS
Shehzad Tanweer: Aged 22, born Bradford, lived Beeston, Leeds. Studied religion in Pakistan. Forensic evidence linking him to Aldgate blast
Hasib Mir Hussain: Aged 18, lived Holbeck, Leeds. Reported missing on day of bombings. Said to have turned very religious two years ago. ID found in No 30 bus
Mohammed Sadique Khan: Aged 30, from Beeston, Leeds, recently moved to Dewsbury, married with baby. ID found at Edgware Road blast site.
Fourth bomber: Still a question mark over his identity. Believed to be a friend of the others and from same area.

so the bombers were British born. what makes me laugh is how is the introducation of IDs in britain gonna help against terrorism if the terrorists ARE british??

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

I was starting to panic as a good friend of mine in London was not replying to emails and her phone was off for about a week. I knew she lived near Kings Cross station and used it to get to work.

But thankfully she has just surfaced.. it seems like she was on holidays on a remote island off the coast of Scotland without phone coverage or internet access. Funny how we all just rely so much these days on instant communication.

I wonder how families used to cope during the world wars when they may not have known for weeks that a friend or a loved one was in danger..

I found out within 30 minutes of the blast that all the people I knew that were possibly affected were safe and well. (Except for the girl hiding in Scotland)

Nearly never won the race.

[American Oyaji]

Nearly never won the race.

[Mulboyne]

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

Nearly never won the race.

Its an english expression.

[cstaylor]

What I don't understand is why these foreign Imams are allowed into England at all?

In the early 1900's, before India was divided into the current states of India and Pakistan (Also Bangladesh) by the british, there were a lot of people who were either taken (as in labour or soldiers for WWI and WWII) or sons and daughters of the rich who went to britannia to study and settled down there. The current generation is maybe the 3rd or 4th generation. Of course there were also a large number of people who kept on migrating to England fr0m Pakistan even after Independence in 1947. There is a reason the slur 'paki' originated fr0m London.

I'm not talking about the 1900's, I'm talking about foreign Imams that came to Britain in the 70's, 80's, and 90's and started pushing Wahhbism on second and third generation children of the original immigrants from India and Pakistan.

[emperor]

Free PDA London tube maps

Following the tragic events on Thursday 7th July 2005 Visual IT would like to express their deepest sympathies and condolences for all those that have been affected.
This special version of Tube 2 London has been released free of charge to help Londoners get back to normal as quickly as possible. It has been amended to reflect all the current service changes on the London system.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Looks like they're getting tough here in the good old US of A. You should like this one Maths Dude.

Muslim Lecturer Sentenced To Life

Ali Al-Timimi, a prominent Muslim spiritual leader, delivered an impassioned statement in which he asserted his innocence, read the preamble to the U.S. Constitution and said his religious beliefs do not recognize "secular law." He then compared himself to the Greek philosopher Socrates, who was sentenced to death for corrupting the young and dishonoring the gods of Athens.
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Although Brinkema called the punishment "very draconian," she said she had no choice under congressionally mandated minimum sentencing requirements. And she criticized Timimi, 41, for his role in inspiring his followers to attend terrorist training camps abroad.
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Timimi, who was born and raised in the Washington area and has lectured on Islam around the world, was charged last year with 10 counts, including soliciting others to levy war against the United States and contributing services to Afghanistan's former Taliban rulers. After seven days of deliberation, a federal jury convicted him on all 10 counts.

[emperor]

UK Muslim leader barred from US

Dr Badawi appeared with fellow British faith leaders, including the Archbishop of Canterbury, on Sunday to deliver a joint statement condemning last week's "evil terrorist" attacks on London.

This guy is no fanatic.

[sillygirl]

Free PDA London tube maps

Following the tragic events on Thursday 7th July 2005 Visual IT would like to express their deepest sympathies and condolences for all those that have been affected.
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[AssKissinger]

Looks like they're getting tough here in the good old US of A. You should like this one Maths Dude.

Muslim Lecturer Sentenced To Life

Ali Al-Timimi, a prominent Muslim spiritual leader, delivered an impassioned statement in which he asserted his innocence, read the preamble to the U.S. Constitution and said his religious beliefs do not recognize "secular law." He then compared himself to the Greek philosopher Socrates, who was sentenced to death for corrupting the young and dishonoring the gods of Athens.
...
Although Brinkema called the punishment "very draconian," she said she had no choice under congressionally mandated minimum sentencing requirements. And she criticized Timimi, 41, for his role in inspiring his followers to attend terrorist training camps abroad.
...
Timimi, who was born and raised in the Washington area and has lectured on Islam around the world, was charged last year with 10 counts, including soliciting others to levy war against the United States and contributing services to Afghanistan's former Taliban rulers. After seven days of deliberation, a federal jury convicted him on all 10 counts.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/13/national/main708863.shtml

Life Sentence For Islamic Scholar

ALEXANDRIA, Virginia July 13, 2005


Prosecutors say several men heard al-Timimi's exhortations to engage in holy war against nonbelievers and soon afterwards went to Pakistan to train with an Islamic militant group, hoping to fight for the Taliban in Afghanistan.



(AP) A prominent Islamic scholar who exhorted his followers after the Sept. 11 attacks to join the Taliban and fight U.S. troops was sentenced Wednesday to life in prison.

Ali al-Timimi of Fairfax was convicted in April of soliciting others to wage war against the United States, inducing others to aid the Taliban, and inducing others to use firearms in violation of federal law.

The cleric addressed the court for ten minutes before his sentencing.

"I will not admit guilt nor seek the court's mercy. I do this simply because I am innocent," al-Timimi said.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Gordon Kromberg said al-Timimi "hates the United States" and has called for its destruction.

"He's allowed to do that in this country," Kromberg said. "He's not allowed to solicit treason. He deserves every day he gets."

U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema said the evidence supported the mandatory life sentence. The judge had earlier left open the possibility that she would toss out some of the counts.

About 50 supporters were in court for al-Timimi, who waved to his wife as he was escorted from court. She declined to comment.

Prosecutors portrayed al-Timimi, a native U.S. citizen, as having "rock star" status among his followers, who frequently heard his lectures at a small mosque in Falls Church, Va., a sprawling Washington, D.C. suburb.

In particular, prosecutors said, the defendant wielded enormous influence among a group of young Muslim men in northern Virginia who played paintball games in 2000 and 2001. Authorities said they were a "Virginia jihad network" training for holy war around the globe.

Nine members of the group have been convicted for their roles in the conspiracy, with prison terms ranging from three years to life.

Al-Timimi's lawyers argued that their client merely suggested that Muslims may want to leave the United States after Sept. 11 because of the potential for a backlash against them.

But he was accused of telling a group of young Muslim men just days after the attack that an apocalyptic battle between Muslims and nonbelievers was at hand and that Muslims were obligated to engage in holy war. He told the group that defense of the Taliban was a requirement and that U.S. troops were a legitimate target, according to court testimony.

Several of the men who heard Al-Timimi's speech traveled days later to Pakistan and began training with a militant Islamic group called Lashkar-e-Taiba, officials said. Some testified that their goal was to obtain training that would allow them to fight alongside the Taliban, though none actually made it to Afghanistan.

I hope he likes shitting blood and walking like a duck cause the shit that goes on in normal prison makes Abu Ghraib seem like a holiday camp. Next they need to round up all his followers and do the same to them. If England wants Londonistan to be a resort town for Al-Qaida that's their business but America is getting rid of these maggots.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Egyptian Biochemist Jailed in U.K. Attacks

Police in Cairo detained a biochemist who studied in the United States and taught at a university in Leeds — the home base for at least three of the London bombers. Investigators in Britain raided an Islamic book shop and the Egyptian's home, searching for explosives and other evidence Friday.

[GuyJean]

Not that I agree with everything in the article, but I thought this an interesting read; proof, to me, Iraq is providing fodder for the moderates becoming extreme, assuring generations of terrorists in our future. Of course, I'll be labeled a 'liberal' for attempting to 'understand' the 'terrorist Muslims'.. But, to me, 'understanding' a problem is the first step to solving it..
We Rock the Boat
Today's Muslims aren't prepared to ignore injustice
http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/comment/story/0,16141,1527435,00.html

If I'm asked about 7/7, I - a Yorkshire lad, born and bred - will respond first by giving an out-clause to being labelled a terrorist lover. I think what happened in London was a sad day and not the way to express your political anger.

Then there's the "but". If, as police announced yesterday, four men (at least three from Yorkshire) blew themselves up in the name of Islam, then please let us do ourselves a favour and not act shocked.

Shocked would be to imply that we were unaware of the imminent danger, when in fact Sir John Stevens, the then Metropolitan police commissioner, warned us last year that an attack was inevitable.

Shocked would be to suggest we didn't appreciate that when Falluja was flattened, the people under it were dead but not forgotten - long after we had moved on to reading more interesting headlines about the Olympics. It is not the done thing to make such comparisons, but Muslims on the street do. Some 2,749 people were killed in the 9/11 attacks. To discover the cost of "liberating" Iraqis you need to multiply that figure by eight, and still you will fall short of the estimated minimum of 22,787 civilian Iraqi casualties to date. But it's not cool to say this, now that London's skyline has also has plumed grey.

Shocked would also be to suggest that the bombings happened through no responsibility of our own. OK, the streets of London were filled with anti-war marchers, so why punish the average Londoner? But the argument that this was an essentially US-led war does not pass muster. In the Muslim world, the pond that divides Britain and America is a shallow one. And the same cry - why punish us? - is often heard from Iraqi mothers as the "collateral damage" increases daily.

Shocked would be to say that we don't understand how, in the green hills of Yorkshire, a group of men given all the liberties they could have wished for could do this.

The Muslim community is no monolithic whole. Yet there are some common features. Second- and third-generation Muslims are without the don't-rock-the-boat attitude that restricted our forefathers. We're much sassier with our opinions, not caring if the boat rocks or not.

Which is why the young get angry with that breed of Muslim "community leader" who remains silent while anger is seething on the streets.

Earlier this year I attended a mosque in Leeds for Friday prayers. It was in the month of Ramadan, when Islamic fervour is at its most impassioned, yet in the sermon, to a crowd of hundreds - many of whom were from Iraq - Falluja was not referred to once; not even in the cupped-hands prayers after the sermon was over.

I prayed my Eid prayer in a mosque in Sheffield and, though most there were sickened and angry about events in Iraq, the imam chose not to mention Falluja either. We "youngsters" - some now in our 40s - had seen it before. This was deliberate silence, in case the boat rocked.

Perhaps now is the time to be honest with each other and to stop labelling the enemy with simplistic terms such as "young", "underprivileged", "undereducated" and perhaps even "fringe". The don't-rock-the-boat attitude of elders doesn't mean the agitation wanes; it means it builds till it can be contained no more.

GJ

[Buraku]

Absence of humor
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/burtis020406.htm
Caricatures, Cartoons and the Clash of Cultures
http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleView/article_view.asp?no=272271&rel_no=1
No Laughs or Riots
http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/?itemid=1477