why everybody hates japan

[homesweethome]

Japan harps, and whines, and complains, and makes heros of it's own for decades about a few of it's people forcibly removed from the land of WA.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/07/11/news/japan.php

Japan intends to press Condoleezza Rice, the U.S. secretary of state, during her visit Tuesday for American help in resolving the cases of Japanese citizens kidnapped decades ago by North Korean agents, a government official said Monday.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20050712a4.htm

Officials of the U.S., South Korea and Japan will meet before the six-way talks to coordinate their policies, Hosoda said, adding that Tokyo in the six-way forum will again demand that Pyongyang account for the Japanese nationals the North's agents abducted in the 1970s and 1980s.

And then conveniently forgets about the hundreds of thousands it forced to come to Japan as slaves.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?fl20050712zg.htm

A fight to the death
One of Japan's longest-running legal feuds reignites amid worsening ties with Korea

One of Japan's longest-running social disputes, Utoro has been largely forgotten here, but across the Japan Sea this community of 230 people is seen by many as a living symbol of the hardships of Korean immigrants.

Now, against a background of soured bilateral relations, the village is back in the media spotlight.

With the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II approaching, the South Korean TV networks plan Utoro specials, along with several major publications, including the progressive weekly Hankyoreh 21, which will run a series of two-page articles every week calling for donations to save the village.

One television company plans a five-hour live broadcast including a solidarity concert on Aug. 15, the anniversary of the end of the war.

And the plight of Utoro residents has also drawn the attention of The United Nations. Doudou Diene, special rapporteur of the U.N. Commission on Human Rights, spent nearly three hours in Utoro on July 5 hearing the stories of the residents and visiting the rickety homes.

Utoro's story begins in the 1930s and 1940s when Kan was among millions who came from the Korean Peninsula -- many of them forcibly made to do so -- to work in Japanese factories, mines and military installations.

When the war ended and the local Nissan factory switched from making warplanes to cars, many of the villagers stayed and began working for a Nissan subsidiary.

"Naturalization is a process rooted in racism" it says before warning that bulldozers will have to "run over" the residents before they'll leave.

"The issue has some momentum in Korean society now," says Professor Han Hong Koo, who teaches modern Korean history at Sungkonghoe University and who believes Utoro is probably the last collective residential area in Japan for conscripted Koreans.

Kang Je Suk, secretary general of the citizens' group Peace Project Network believes the movement to protect Utoro is "only beginning," and is critical of how it has been ignored in Japan.

"While the abduction of a few Japanese to North Korea was a big topic, the kidnapping of thousands of Koreans to Japan was not. Utoro is not in the news either."

The Utoro homepage

http://www02.so-net.ne.jp/~utoro/index_tr.html

Even Doudou Deine agrees.

[Andocrates]

If Japan were one person with one mind your post would make sense. But it's pretty obvious who the bigot is here.

Just because America kept slaves and killed Indians doesn't mean we have too ignore wrongs done to our country. All those guys who killed Chinese civilians are long dead. Japan is a different country today.

[homesweethome]

Andocrates wrote:

If Japan were one person with one mind your post would make sense. But it's pretty obvious who the bigot is here.
All those guys who killed Chinese civilians are long dead. Japan is a different country today.

Yes I am a bigot, I HATE WAR or at least I hate killing people.

'Japan is a different country' HUH? from what? Does a maggot become a butterfly just by calling itself one?

You might enjoy reading:

War our heritage
By: Joseph P Lash; James Arthur Wechsler
Type: English : Book : Non-fiction
Publisher: New York : International Publishers, 1936.

However: There are lots of yarns written on the subject of war and the history of it, which all pretty much say the same thing, that no matter how many people live and die, war (killing each other) will always be with us unless you succeed in total annihilation. I think A.H. tried this in a most spectacular way of our recent memory. I suppose you would say war has visibly ended in our lifetime since all those other folks who made it have since died...well yes they have, and what has been the result of all their efforts?

No war today in the world, it's Tuesday.

[Andocrates]

Then why don't you start with your own country. God you fucks are the worse. How about the fire-bombing of Dresden and Tokyo, when the only people left were women and children. What about the nukes? What about whole-scale bombing of civilian cites? "Oh but Japan started it," that's the standard pussy reply. Except the old ladies and the children didn't start it, so why did you feel the need to kill them. You Fucking hypocritical puke.

[Midwinter]

Ah such sweet, sweet irony. This is why I love Japanese politics!

[Midwinter]

[quote="""]What about the nukes?quote]

Awesome come back! The Japanese military was warned a number of times, and in a way, the Americans did the Japanese a favor by nuking them ffs. How many more would have died had the marines been forced to storm the beaches, bays, harbors eh? The mighty Emperor would have had women, high school kids, you name it repelling the foreign invaders with bamboo sticks.

[homesweethome]

andocrates:

You Fucking hypocritical puke.

Thank you.

Let him/her who is without sin cast the first stone.

[Andocrates]

Let him/her who is without sin cast the first stone.

So where was that logic when you pasted the first post?

[Samurai_Jerk]

What about the nukes?

Awesome come back! The Japanese military was warned a number of times, and in a way, the Americans did the Japanese a favor by nuking them ffs. How many more would have died had the marines been forced to storm the beaches, bays, harbors eh? The mighty Emperor would have had women, high school kids, you name it repelling the foreign invaders with bamboo sticks.

I think he was just trying to make a point.

[schmuckass]

If Japan were one person with one mind your post would make sense. But it's pretty obvious who the bigot is here.

Just because America kept slaves and killed Indians doesn't mean we have too ignore wrongs done to our country. All those guys who killed Chinese civilians are long dead. Japan is a different country today.

geez, what made you think like that? education from japanese(jimintou) government? oh ic, you got the fact from your primary education, havent you? still japan is distorting the history, and if you dont admit the fact, you are just like one of those ugly japanese. If japan doesnt admit the past, no matter what you say, Japan is same country as past.

P.S. I admire some japanese ppl, who admits the fact of the asia invasion. and massive killing in the past.

P.S. And yes, State have to admit the fact of mass cleaning of the Natives in the past. And honey, please dont call them indians. Ic the fact you are brainwashed.

[Buraku]

All those guys who killed Chinese civilians are long dead. Japan is a different country today.

That's where you very wrong

The Imperiial Naazi of Japan went to bomb HongKong, Attack the US fleet at Pearrl Harbor, invade Indonesia next to Australia, but Nipon started getting its ass kicked, badly...the British were fighting back, Chinese hitting back at Japan hard in Asia, Canadians did well, Russians knocked Japan out of Manchuria and Amercians had Japan on the ropes
When Ruskies started come down smashing the Japanese near Hokkaido Yanks feared Russia would grab Ni ppon like it did with Germany

[Buraku]

Atomic bombs were quickly dropped so Japan would become an American capitalist poodle instead of a Ruskie communist poodle

Uncle Sam did give a toss about the seexslavery of Koreans, the Japan Emperor's crimes, or any of that stuff

In fact they helped get some info on the Na zi Japanese experimentation on prisioners and bio and chemical warfare on villagers
a number of these Japanese wa r cri minals have rose to become leaders of Japan companies, some evil mebers of Japan's secret police have risen to join high positions in law and government, rising to become ministers of defence and education, some from U nit 7 31 have gained positions in hospitals and ran experimental Leprosy colonies in Japan up to today, some would think Lepers coe from the Stone Age and 3rd world nations but not in Modern Japan.
When the Ruskie started come down smashing the Japanese near Hokkaido Yanks feared Russia would grab Ni ppon like it did with Germany

Atomic bombs were quickly dropped so Japan would become an American capitalist poodle instead of a Ruskie communist poodle

Uncle Sam did give a toss about the seexslavery of Koreans, the Japan Emperor's crimes, or any of that stuff

[Andocrates]

If Japan were one person with one mind your post would make sense. But it's pretty obvious who the bigot is here.

Just because America kept slaves and killed Indians doesn't mean we have too ignore wrongs done to our country. All those guys who killed Chinese civilians are long dead. Japan is a different country today.

geez, what made you think like that? education from japanese(jimintou) government? oh ic, you got the fact from your primary education, havent you? still japan is distorting the history, and if you dont admit the fact, you are just like one of those ugly japanese. If japan doesnt admit the past, no matter what you say, Japan is same country as past.

P.S. I admire some japanese ppl, who admits the fact of the asia invasion. and massive killing in the past.

P.S. And yes, State have to admit the fact of mass cleaning of the Natives in the past. And honey, please dont call them indians. Ic the fact you are brainwashed.

one post posts are ignored, come back when you are ready to stand up like a man. P.S. only liberal white people call then natives, to which indians always get a good chuckle.

[Samurai_Jerk]

P.S. And yes, State have to admit the fact of mass cleaning of the Natives in the past. And honey, please dont call them indians. Ic the fact you are brainwashed.

one post posts are ignored, come back when you are ready to stand up like a man. P.S. only liberal white people call then natives, to which indians always get a good chuckle.

Besides, schmuckass's PC terminology is already behind the times. They're called First Nations now.

[dingosatemybaby]

Dingo found a post in the NBR Japan-US listserve by NY Times reporter Howard French that addresses the pinheaded logic of sad li'l wanks like Androcates to a tee:

http://www.nbr.org/foraui/message.aspx?LID=5&MID=18368

Read the whole thing. Money quote, by another poster named Tracy Timmons-Gray:

"My apologies, but I fail to see any relevance to comparing what happened fifty years ago in order to lighten the offense of current discrimination. 60 years ago, Jews were being exterminated in Eastern Europe. But since being shoved into cattle cars and sent to a "work camp" is different from being told by a real estate agent that they won't help you because you're a foreigner, then obviously one shouldn't address the second issue because the first one is so horrific."

BEGIN NBR POST:

Amen to Tracy Timmons-Grays' summons for an end to the
excuse making. To conclude that problems like those
identified in the UN statement are common and
persistent in Japan is not to let any other country
off the hook. Reflexive defenses of Japan on issues
like these tend to want to change the subject and/or
raise superfluous counterexamples, rather than
addressing the core issue: how is it that such
exclusionist attitudes can still run so deep, with
real world, untrivial consequences for outsiders in
such a wealthy and generally well-education nation as
Japan?
Howard French


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracy Timmons-Gray"
To: "Japan-U.S. Discussion Forum"
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:20 AM
Subject: NBR'S JAPAN FORUM (POL) UN official declares Japan racism 'deep and profound'




--- Tracy Timmons-Gray
wrote:

> Mr. Kinmonth wrote:
>
> "Further, having seen American-style apartheid at
> first hand in the Deep
> South in the 1950s, even as an historian, I cannot
> find anything even
> remotely comparable in Japan."
>
> My apologies, but I fail to see any relevance to
> comparing what happened
> fifty years ago in order to lighten the offense of
> current
> discrimination. 60 years ago, Jews were being
> exterminated in Eastern
> Europe. But since being shoved into cattle cars and
> sent to a "work
> camp" is different from being told by a real estate
> agent that they
> won't help you because you're a foreigner, then
> obviously one shouldn't
> address the second issue because the first one is so
> horrific. If that
> was the case, then Brown vs. Board of Education
> would never have
> occurred since everyone should have been so happy
> that they weren't
> *slaves* anymore, and that they should have just
> quit their "liberal"
> complaining and enjoyed their "separate but equal"
> existence.
>
> "Also, while I have been in the rental market in
> Japan often enough to
> know that while there are many estate agents who
> will not give you the
> time of day if you are a gaijin, there are others
> who will bust their
> ass for you."
>
> So...? Because someone is helpful, it eliminates
> the actions of those
> who actively ignore your business?
>
> "Similarly, while there are most certainly
> commercial establishments in
> Japan that post "no foreigners" signs, my guess
> would be that 999 out of
> 1000 of these establishments offer services that you
> would not want your
> mother, work place colleagues, or your spouse to
> know that you had been
> purchasing."
>
> So...? "You wouldn't want the product anyway, so it
> shouldn't matter if
> you're not allowed in to buy it"? Is that what
> you're saying? Debito
> Arudo shouldn't have wanted such a dirty thing as a
> *bath* in the first
> place?
>
> "When I read this article, I could not but wonder
> whether DooDoo Diene-"
>
> Was that on purpose? His name is Doudou Diene. I
> would find it very
> disrespectful if someone used a play on your name.
> If you are unsure of
> the spelling, it only takes a second to check
> online, which is even
> easier right now since there are so many newspaper
> articles addressing
> this issue.
>
> "has ever gone into the rental market in NYC without
> his UN status.
> Just the other day, there was an article in the NYT
> pointing out that
> there are still 100 percent white neighborhoods in
> New York City,
> neighborhoods where, if you're black (or just dark),
> you are basically
> assumed to be criminal if you are present outside of
> servant's hours."
>
> I don't think anyone said in these articles about
> Mr. Diene's visit that
> Japan is the only country where discrimination still
> exists. It is also
> (obviously) in America- but not just with race, but
> also with gender,
> economic background, sexual orientation, and against
> people with
> disabilities.
>
> You cannot thought-police people's attitudes towards
> one another. But
> Mr. Diene's initial statement was addressing
> governmental recognition
> that discrimination should be against the law, and
> not just something
> that the government recommends to change.
>
> If we must continue to use the rental/buying market
> in America as a
> comparison, one can bring up the Fair Housing Act
> and also the group,
> the National Fair Housing Alliance who work to help
> educate about fair
> housing in the US, and aid in enforcing the rules
> when they are broken.
> (For more info, you can check out their url:
>http://www.nationalfairhousing.org/) Unfortunately,
> the NFHA exists
> because the governmental laws against discrimination
> are broken. But
> that doesn't mean people should just stand around
> and accept it.
>
> Like in other countries, discrimination exists in
> Japan- including
> discrimination against women, against foreigners,
> against those with
> disabilities, and against those who were born in
> Japan but are seen as
> having a different (or "dirty") background. To
> brush it off and say
> that it's nothing to cry home about is dismissing
> both its existence and
> the harsh effects it can have on people. If Mr.
> Diene's report throws
> enough "gaiatsu" in to encourage laws and not just
> recommendations, then
> I applaud him, the U.N, and Japan.
>
> T. Timmons-Gra

[Samurai_Jerk]

Dingos,

Good points but I'm not sure what that has to do with Andocrates arguments about past war crimes.

[dingosatemybaby]

Dingos,

Good points but I'm not sure what that has to do with Andocrates arguments about past war crimes.

Hi Sam,
My point was stated in the title of my post: Superfluous Counterexamples. This thread is about why Japan has a (well-deserved, IMHO) image problem in the world. And Andropindick is writing about Native Americans. Superfluous counterexample.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Dingos,

Good points but I'm not sure what that has to do with Andocrates arguments about past war crimes.

Hi Sam,
My point was stated in the title of my post: Superfluous Counterexamples. This thread is about why Japan has a (well-deserved, IMHO) image problem in the world. And Andropindick is writing about Native Americans. Superfluous counterexample.

I never read the titles.

[Andocrates]

Dingos: You make even less sense then he did.

[homesweethome]

Andocrates:

So where was that logic when you pasted the first post?

I thought I was being very logical when I made the first post. I gave two examples of how Japan is trying to use diplomatic muscle to dig up the bones of a very few of its citizens who were abducted to another country against their will. Then I posted an article about people born in another country which Japan forcibly took as slave labor back to the homelands and to this day continues to basicially ignore. What I was trying to point out was the fact that even a dog can smell itself, but Japan as a nation has no mirror in the bathroom, it can't face the fact that it did anything wrong and to this day continues this 'selective memory, self-denial' All of these articles happened to appear on the same day (yesterday).

I admit maybe this thread was not appropriately titled, maybe I should have titled it: 'Why Japan's Neighbors Hate Japan.' I wonder if Andocrates even read the whole post I put up before responding in the "fucking hypocrites" emotional, knee-jerk reaction? Andocrates seems to have taken this as another Japan bashing thread which was certainly not my origional intention. I wonder why Andocrates took this so personally? Andocrates certainly didn't understand it at the very least, and continues to not be able to do so which this person states in their last post previous to this one.

[Andocrates]

It it looks like shit and smells like shit I don't have to taste it to know it's shit.

I wonder why Andocrates took this so personally?

Ok my secret's out I'm Japanese.

That was just a hateful Archie Bunker style attack that had absolutely no point and it pissed me off. How does Japan seeking information about abducted Japanese tie in with WW2? Where is the crime?

[homesweethome]

Andocrates:

How does Japan seeking information about abducted Japanese tie in with WW2? Where is the crime?

Edith, you knucklehead, you

But there is more in today's news:

Tochigi Prefecture adopts nationalistic view of history for the sake of 'pride'

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=933884

Japanese city adopts contentious history textbook

The authors and their supporters argue that the history text's approach corrects a "masochistic" view of history which they say has deprived Japanese of pride and patriotism.

Japanese school textbooks are approved every four years by the Education Ministry following a screening process, and local school boards then decide during the summer which textbooks to adopt in their districts.

Restaurant in China bars entry of Japanese who disagree with their interpretation of history.

http://en-1.ce.cn/Life/social/200507/13/t20050713_4175391.shtml

Japanese customers must apologise for their country's wartime occupation of China before getting a seat at a restaurant in former Manchuria or find another place to eat, Japan's Kyodo news agency said on Tuesday.

Many Chinese feel Japan has never owned up to atrocities committed during its occupation, including the 1937 Rape of Nanjing in which Beijing says as many as 300,000 Chinese men, women and children were slaughtered by Japanese troops.

Would you buy a used apology from this country (Japan)?

[schmuckass]

that is why japanese are called

-selfish-

only see what they want to see.

P.S. There is old saying

Good education from school, makes good student.
[or good product without an idea]


P.S. and about first nation. i figured out that some japs are still calling

[Tsuru]

Are you Chinese by any chance?

[blackcat]

I agree with the original post

japanese society have not forgotten what the country did just 60 years ago.....they never learnt it.

My students dont know where Manila and Darwin are,(let alone what happened there)
know NO DETAILS of what pain the Japanese Military caused throughout Asia.

The korean abduction on the other hand was MINISCULE and 30 years ago to boot!!

everyone knows about that tho!!

japanese always play the victim card.

you fucks make me sick when you say what happened to the indians was bad...YES I AGREE, but you dont realize the irony of that comment, japanese NEVER say the same about the AINU!! (koreans or anyone else.)

FUCK most dont even know who they are!!

so your defense of them is a joke, you shouldnt complain about someone being critical of japan you should be pissed off with the DENIAL of the japanese themselves because thats what you hate in your society?

Usually people that are critical of this topic are also critical within their own countries, so dont be so simplistic.

japanese are amazingly selfish and hypocritcal esp. as a society.

[Samurai_Jerk]

[homesweethome]

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20050714b2.htm

City Chooses Selective Memory Textbooks for the sake of National Pride

UTSUNOMIYA, Tochigi Pref. (Kyodo) The board of education in the city of Otawara, Tochigi Prefecture, chose two social studies textbooks Wednesday that have been condemned, especially by China and South Korea, for distorting history by whitewashing Japanese atrocities.

Otawara is the first municipality to choose the junior high textbooks -- one for history and one for civics -- edited by the nationalistic Japanese Society for History Textbook Reform and published by Fusosha Publishing Inc.

In South Korea, Foreign Affairs and Trade Ministry spokesman Lee Kyu Hyung issued a statement expressing "deep regret" and "disappointment" over the board of education's decision.

"We are convinced that with this (textbook) adoption, children will grow up to have pride and love for the country of Japan," Ryu Onuma, Otawara's education chief, told a news conference.

Critics, however, say the texts play down the 1937 Nanjing Massacre and ignore the sexual enslavement of women for Japanese soldiers and depicts Japanese wartime actions as aimed at liberating other parts of Asia.

Speaking about criticism of the textbooks at home and abroad, Onuma said, "We are aware of the objections, but we hold firm that our decision is based on educational consideration."

South Korea and China have repeatedly said Fushosha's history textbook glosses over Japan's militaristic past.

The two nations also oppose the civics textbook's description of the Japanese-held Senkaku Islands -- called the Diaoyu Islands by the Chinese -- and the South Korean-held islets in the Sea of Japan -- known as Tok-do in South Korea and Takeshima in Japan -- as traditionally Japanese territories. The text says further that Seoul is illegally occupying the rocky islets.

The history textbook also is contentious in Japan for its nationalistic content, but already has been selected by a small number of public junior high schools run by the Tokyo Metropolitan and Ehime Prefectural governments, and several private schools.

South Korea Responds in kind

Seoul names warship after Tok-do

Japan said Wednesday it would protest South Korea's decision to name a naval ship after islets it controls that are also claimed by Tokyo.
South Korea launched a 14,000-ton class multipurpose naval vessel Tuesday named after islets that lie in the Sea of Japan between Japan and the Korean Peninsula.

The islets, surrounded by rich fishing waters, are called Tok-do in Korean and Takeshima in Japanese and have been a main source of recent animosity between the two countries.

"It is truly regrettable that the name was used on the vessel despite repeated requests by the Japanese government not to do so," Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda told reporters Wednesday. "I expect the (Foreign) ministry to protest strongly once again."

Korea says it is getting ready for Japan

[djgizmoe]

japanese are amazingly selfish and hypocritcal esp. as a society.

I think it would be more accurate to say "ignorant". Especially ignorant of how Chinese and Koreans still seem to remember a war that happened 60 years ago.
As for selfish, what about aid to the U.N.?

Since 1992, Japan had been the largest donor of aid, in terms of raw dollars. That was until 2001...

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp

[Andocrates]

this is getting out of hand. take this clan rally somewhere else.

[homesweethome]

Andocrates:

things are getting out of hand

You are right, they did.

Pictures speak for themselves, here are some of the Japanese occupation of Korea


Japanese troops march in


Japanese ruler in garb


Korean children getting their Japanese lessons


Korean comfort women servicing Japanese troops


Korean village after being liberated by Japanese troops


Korean comfort woman


Japan troops beheading a Korean


Banzai Nippon!