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IJ: Not for 'Real' Musicians

Postby GuyJean » Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:59 pm

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Numark iDJ iPod Mixing Console
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1110692,00.html?cnn=yes
First of all, it doesn't let you scratch, in the turntablist sense. There's just no physical way to recreate the vinyl experience with tracks that are still inside the iPod. You'd have to sample the tunes into some kind of memory first, and by that point, you might as well connect one or two of Pioneer's virtual turntables for CDs and DVDs.

Also, there's no way for the iDJ to loop beats on the fly, or adjust the tempo of songs. Unless you find songs that already have matching tempos, you won't be able to fade from one band to the next as if they shared a drummer.

Take away scratching, looping, and tempo synching and what have you got? Say you're going to DJ a party. With two iPods already docked and charging, you don't have to worry about plugging in extra power or audio cables. You can use the trackwheels on the iDJ to easily navigate the contents of your iPods. You can preview one song while the other is playing, and independently adjust the treble, midrange and bass of each.
Bernt.. Sounds like an iPod switcher.. Big whoopie..
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Postby Brax » Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:48 pm

I wouldn't say a DJ is a 'real' Musician.
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Postby GuyJean » Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:35 pm

Brax wrote:I wouldn't say a DJ is a 'real' Musician.
:lol: Is this a vu ja de?

http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12978

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Postby altar » Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:37 pm

This seems more fun to me
http://www.stantondj.com/v2/fs/whatisfs.asp
I haven't tried it yet but you can scratch you mp3s just like you would a vinyl.
"I wouldn't say a DJ is a 'real' Musician."
I would say the best are.
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Postby electrocat » Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:07 am

i own final scratch because "i am a real musician" who plays my own tracks out at the club when i dj. (for Brax, you obviously know nothing about electronic musicians, because thats the way 90% of them deliver, and perform, their music to the masses). Anyway, final scratch is quite finicky, and always fucks up once or twice. Its a great concept dont get me wrong. The feel of vinyl and using great turntables like Technics allow for great expression during mixing. Also its so nice when all your mp3s are in alphabetical order and you can put them in a folder for that nights gig. Much different from real vinyl where i only know what it sounds like by the artwork label and jacket. Recently more people are using Ableton Live and doing a laptop only set. I find them to be a bit boring visually but you can do lots with fx, mixing 3, 4, 5, 6 songs or loops at the same time.

This numark product looks like they rushed to the ipod market without thinking it thru. First of all, not many people own two ipods. Second, like the article said, its useless without a pitch function. I think mostly indie rock hipsters will buy these.. and they dont really know how to mix anyway, nor does that type of music call for it.
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Postby GuyJean » Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:08 am

electrocat wrote:(for guyjean, you obviously know nothing about electronic musicians, because thats the way 90% of them deliver, and perform, their music to the masses)
Electrocat, you obviously know nothing about my opinioin..
GuyJean wrote:Oh the endless controversy of 'what is music']http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12978[/url]
It's Charles you need to convince, not me.

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Postby electrocat » Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:23 am

oops.. my bad.. wrong name.. sorry :oops:
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Postby GuyJean » Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:31 am

electrocat wrote:oops.. my bad.. wrong name.. sorry :oops:
No worries! :D

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Postby altar » Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:50 pm

"Ableton Live and doing a laptop only set. I find them to be a bit boring visually"
Yeah but surely you would use Live with some sort of midi controller so the visual result can't be that much different than a guy with 2 turntables and a mixer. I was thinking of hip hop djs who really like to scratch, something in the line of Final Scratch is the only solution for them if they want to switch to working with mp3s or compositions of their own in .wav or whatever.
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Postby electrocat » Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:23 pm

theres another Final Scratch package called Scratch Live made by Rane. some people say its better than final scratch. these type of devices are great for scratching, but theres something much different in the way it sounds. For example if you play a vinyl record super slow, you can hear the waves super slow slow too right? Well on final scratch when you play it super slow, it sounds more like ticks or pops.. not good. Analog distortion and artifacts sound warm, even those crackle and pops. But Digital crackle and pops sound like straight up ass. But normal scratching is fine.. its just sometimes when i mix i like to turn the power off of one record and let it wind down (while messing with the EQs) and it makes a trippy sort of sound. Not possible with Final scratch: ASS
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Chip E. uses Traktor, don't you?

Postby mr. sparkle » Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:50 pm

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Postby altar » Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:05 pm

Electrocat I see what you mean. I'm not a dj and I don't use turntables, I just produce with the computer and some hardware by composing and using samples, so Live is a soft I'm interested in to use in gigs. Problem is I also want to mc...
Mr. Sparkle (by the way, haven't you done some video editing for Rob Pongi?) sure, Traktor is widely used, Live is gaining ground because it's also a composition tool and has cool groove shuffling features.
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That's right...We bad!

Postby mr. sparkle » Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:15 pm

altar wrote:Electrocat I see what you mean. I'm not a dj and I don't use turntables, I just produce with the computer and some hardware by composing and using samples, so Live is a soft I'm interested in to use in gigs. Problem is I also want to mc...

Live would be good to use for gigs from what I have seen. My buddy uses Live and Reason hand in hand. Pretty nifty.

Mr. Sparkle (by the way, haven't you done some video editing for Rob Pongi?)

Here and there, yeah. I'm also RP's and GJ's video "sensei" (Apple FCP Trainer). I must've taught 'em well 'cause they really don't need my help anymore. ]Master's Seminar[/url] if you wanna be a badass. :twisted:
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Postby altar » Sun Oct 02, 2005 3:23 pm

"Wanna learn FCP? Take my Master's Seminar if you wanna be a badass. Twisted Evil"
Thanks for the offer. I'm actually going to try and acquire some basic editing skills. However I'll be training on Avid because I'm on pc and I may be shooting a few things for some people in France who have an Avid-based setup.
FCPWORLD looks like a great website. Are you Kevin? Nice picture :wink:
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Re: That's right...We bad!

Postby gomichild » Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:20 pm

mr. sparkle wrote:
Wanna learn FCP? Take my Master's Seminar if you wanna be a badass. :twisted:


Hey I don't see any Japan dates in there.....
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Postby mr. sparkle » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:18 pm

Yeah. True, it's a U.S. tour, but you know me....
I'll do a J-tour, just need the bodies.
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