japanese: no common sense...heres why,

[blackcat]

I dont mean to be nasty by the thread title, but this is not a small % of the population, IN FACT thats the point really, some people do this in many countries but many others dont, I have noticed and others writing to papers have also, that this seems to be a hobby it is so commonplace not just the odd person does it, its almost ALL cars drivers,

IE: I went to Shimane Pref. once, nice place, and in Matsue City not a big city there were about 30 taxis waiting in a lot in front of the station, very few people around, and when a customer walked up to get a taxi the first taxi in the lot drove out of the lot and up to the the cutomer line.

You know the rest of the story, every single taxi had its engine on, and all of the drivers were standing outside of their car, chatting, some sitting on nearby benches

So dont make this sound like an isolated incident, it happens EVERYDAY, EVERWHERE in Japan and for hour after hour.

If I do just leave as always is the japanese answer for an critical comments made by foriegn people n japan, what then?? this is not about me, its about the environment, conservation of energy, reducing noise pollution, and yes...common sense.

If I go, the problem wont, clearly japanese peolple dont want to hear about problems or solve them. so yes that is fucked.

Its good that many ride bikes as you say, I agree, should be more of it in the west too. But consider, The US/CAN/AUST/UK/NZ in part. are car cultures, but i have never seen idyling like that in those countries.

Japan has a population density greater than any of those countries,......so you would think this would be an issue of concern.

I heard of an english guy that passed out leaflets trying to educate idyling drivers.....he was largely met with anger and laughter, as i said it seems foreign people care more about japan than the japanese do.



Gai, as for your typical ignorant predjudice comments, well not reply need other than you dont know my secrets, or anything else by the looks of you posts.

[ramchop]

I dont mean to be nasty by the thread title, but this is not a small % of the population, IN FACT thats the point really, some people do this in many countries but many others dont, I have noticed and others writing to papers have also, that this seems to be a hobby it is so commonplace not just the odd person does it, its almost ALL cars drivers,

Seems to me that if you choose the car as your mode of transport in Tokyo (and my experience of Japan doesn't go beyond this city), when there are many more hassle free ways to get around then you lack common sense anyway. Should be no surprise that car drivers are mostly idiots.


The "leave" solution is not a means of changing the world, but a way to preserve your sanity (as it so obviously pisses you off). An example (off topic), you find eating whales grossly offensive, the people here don't. You knew that before you came here. Did you come here as some sort of crusader, or do enjoy being annoyed?

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

Gai, as for your typical ignorant predjudice comments, well not reply need other than you dont know my secrets, or anything else by the looks of you posts.

It looks like you don't know the meaning of the word prejudice. Don't get pissed off because your situation is painfully obvious. Plenty of guys like you in Japan and do you know what? The Japanese don't need pissant comments from imbeciles like you. When it comes to energy conservation the Japanese consume incredibly small amounts of energy in relation to their GDP. If you want to worry about the envirnonment great but you could find a much better place to start than bitching about Japan's incredibly low consumption of fossil fuels. Get a grip man.

[American Oyaji]

I dont know if many of you know this, but most of the taxis are not powered by gasoline.

There is a large LP gas tank in the bank of a lot of taxis. At least in Hachinohe where I lived.

The only taxis that actually NEED the trunk space are the taxis that are going to train stations or airports. So if they ask you where you are going, its to make sure they send you a taxi with trunk space if you are going to an airport or train station.

Otherwise you get a taxi with an LP gas tank.

just a bit of info.

[blackcat]

true A.O. lpg burns a bit cleaner thats true, adds to overall city temp. though. anyway its many diesel trucks and buses that are the worst culprits.

Ram: I dont enjoy getting pissed of, and if you think some comments that maybe a few hundred people may read on this site are a "crusade" then we are all fucked. I mean i see a problem thats easy to fix, mention it and you and gai are the ones upset.
fuck, ok breathe whatever shit you like. just try not to fuck up the future on the way, as for a small amount of fossil fuels burnt by japan is BS anyway, but if you are too thick not to fix the small problems then you will never be able to taclke Dioxin, and many others.


"The Japanese don't need pissant comments from imbeciles like you. "

Gai, i wouldnt dream of taking your job from you.

anyway ram i think you can see my view, and regardless of my sanity it is not just selfish motives, yes i could go home, but the problem remains......we all breathe the same air!!

i dont think this is a "culture" issue as in Whales,( on that note, If some people want to eat whale, I dont disagee, what i hate are the lies of scientific research which is obviously commercial hunting. )
just one of common sense.

[ramchop]

It's a national conspiracy. Whereas other nations choose to fight the implementation of the Kyoto protocol, Japan has chosen a clever way to get around it. Citizens of Japan are doing their bit by artificially inflating current carbon emmissions through activities such as idling their car engines or using smokey kerosine heaters. If the Kyoto protocol is ever agreed to, Japan can instantly comply with their reduction quota. A simple turn of the key nationwide, and hey presto Japan's industry can rest easy in the knowledge that they're unaffected.

[cliffy]

It's a national conspiracy. Whereas other nations choose to fight the implementation of the Kyoto protocol, Japan has chosen a clever way to get around it. Citizens of Japan are doing their bit by artificially inflating current carbon emmissions through activities such as idling their car engines or using smokey kerosine heaters. If the Kyoto protocol is ever agreed to, Japan can instantly comply with their reduction quota. A simple turn of the key nationwide, and hey presto Japan's industry can rest easy in the knowledge that they're unaffected.

Typical Kiwi thinking absurdist statements that cannot be proved wrong. Been caught before and will again, keep it up!

btw where did you find the Cecil avitar?

[ramchop]

btw where did you find the Cecil avitar?

Here

[blackcat]

yeah sounds very likely considering how many idyling engines on brains off i see everywhere in this weather

[ramchop]

Caught the bus yesterday (couldn't be arsed lugging the pushchair up multiple flights of stairs at 3 subway stations), they're pathological engine turner offers. Seems to me if the drivers are instructed to turn the engine off that's what they'll do.

so....

all you need to do is write a letter to environmentalist Gov. Blinky, he'll issue the instructions and all your engine idler induced road rage will be extinguished forever. (just don't tell him you're a foreigner)

[Taro Toporific]

Caught the bus yesterday ... they're pathological engine turner offers. Seems to me if the drivers are instructed to turn the engine off ...

Actually, that's a "feature" not a flaw.
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[blackcat]

you are right. Ive been on those(types of buses) buses.

Good to save on the buses.

but can we get the message to all the sleeping engine lovers i see everywhere still. passed about 50 just today on my bike, just a 15min ride too nice mild day......

Oh well, no one seems to mind to breathe poison.

If the savings are good on buses(that serve a purpose) imagine if milions of brainless idylers get the message.

[GomiGirl]

Doesn't it take more fuel to start an engine constantly at traffic lights then to just let it idle?

[blackcat]

yes it can, but it depends on how long the Idyling is, if its only a few minutes better to leave it on, anything much over 10-15mins KILL it.

esp. for the air.

[GuyJean]

Doesn't it take more fuel to start an engine constantly at traffic lights then to just let it idle?

You are so right..

So, we get fuel-wasting, traffic light ignition flippers AND napping headed snoring CO2 spewers. Typical Japan: 2 birds, 5 stones.

How bout those dusk driving headlightless bicycle killers..

Do they actually LEARN anything by paying $3,000 for a drivers license?

We don't need no stinking applied knowledge..

GJ

[DJEB]

Doesn't it take more fuel to start an engine constantly at traffic lights then to just let it idle?

I've read that if you are idling more than 10 seconds, you are just pissing your money away.

[blackcat]

believe are they have lunch in their cars/trucks etc, dont go anywhere but start the engine

is it a competition or something???????
who can waste the most fuel in a week, who can poison the air faster??

Japanese posters please advise us

I walked 8 mins from the station today, passed 6 cars 2 concrete trucks, all windows down, all sleeping occupants, all engines on.all brains off

[ramchop]

You written your letter of complaint to Gov Blinky yet?

How about a protest? Hire a really old diesel truck, park it outside the Tokyo Metro Govt building and idle your time away. Or leave the engine going, do a runner, park yourself behind the nearest tree (if you can find one) and watch.

[blackcat]

no, no letter, ha, I think my written "skills" may give me away as a non native.

but I like your idea, but I think that if i left an old truck there to idyl it wouldnt look much different from the dozen or so others doing the same

perhaps if i went around turning the engines off????? ha most likely get locked up....for....well...thinking of the environment a crime in japan? )

[blackcat]

another mindless chain-smoking pachinko Idyler fuck wit.

Here it is, nice mild day....he walks over to his shit heap van, starts it

and reads the fucking paper for 2 hours with the engine on lights up a smoke and stays there...deciding how to throw his money away.(his choice)

but you guessed it..the engine chugging away pouring shit into the sky.
does he drive away? warming the engine up?? you say.?

nope....turns it off...gets out and walks away.

his duty done. its the japanese Vs the environment. be a good horror movie.

[ramchop]

The sad thing is the pathetic excuses for it. No ones going to tell me japanese love japan, they treat it like shit and make excuses, Mt fuji is a tip, that should be a world heritage area, and people just shrug. OH WELL.

Maybe Fuji just isn't big enough to warrant their attention:

Japanese-led team cleans Everest

A Japanese-led expedition has cleared 2.4 tons of garbage off Mt Everest to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the conquest of the world's tallest mountain.

Wonder where they dumped it all... Fuji?

[ramchop]

Can someone explain to me why outdoor swimming pools don't open until July?

[blackcat]

wrong thread dude

[jez]

Doesn't our friend gai love the old 'waruguchi'! And it seems he knows a whole lotta stuff about people they don't know themselves.

or wherever your pathetic farmer boy ass is from

the idiots, you included

Yeah, Sydney and London are great. Too bad about the lack of work there. That is why you are in Japan.

Don't kid yourself Blackcat. We known damn well why you are in Japan. It's one country where foreign ner do wells can nearly do well (little talent required).

One wonders why gai is here, but never mind, eh?

pissant comments from imbeciles like you

[ramchop]

wrong thread dude

It's hot. Not quite damn hot, but definitely hot enough to enjoy a swim in the sun. Except all the outdoor pools that I've seen are still green.

"Japanese no common sense" is the name of this thread isn't it?

[Taro Toporific]

wrong thread dude

It's hot. Not quite damn hot, but definitely hot enough to enjoy a swim in the sun. Except all the outdoor pools that I've seen are still green.

Damn. How long have you been here, Ramchop?
Haven't you haven't gone in to get your NHK transponder implant yet?
Without the implant you won't know the secret Japanese days that EVERY must:
--> start wearing short sleeve white shirts
--> go to beach
--> not go to the beach even though it still 40 degrees
--> start wearing trench coats, etc. ...
GET ONE NOW! OBEY.

[blackcat]

RAMCHOP
Fair enough you have used the title in a broader sense than I intended.

I was mainly pointing out the japanese love affair with their Engines and how they love the sound of their engine whining to try and stay cool as they sit in their cars for hour after hour

Oh well fuck the air, as long as theyre happy. Make sur you remind every one that trys to tell you the "japanese are at one with nature bullshit"

[blackcat]

what a bunch of BRAINLESS LOSERS.

[Taro Toporific]

[Cortana]

Hate to go forum mining... but I had to interject.


If it's a diesel vehicle (i.e., truck, bus) it's actually more efficient to idle for a few hours than start and stop it.

Less wear on the engine, and better fuel economy. Diesels use almost no fuel at all to idle... a large diesel engine (tractor-trailer / concrete truck / bus) uses something along the lines of 1 gallon / 6 hours in idle, and it doesn't hurt the engine to do it.