"My Decadently Destructive Days and Nights as a Tokyo Nightclub Hostess"

[JAPJap27]

I thought he was whinging about how bad his AOL connection was.

LOL! I've kind of given up on that guy because I can't understand what he's trying to say ever.

Perhaps you'll enjoy it - the hostess blogger I linked to did - in which case please stop by again if you have the time and let us know.

I did read Bar Flower, and really enjoyed it actually! I don't think it's fair to say that the foreign hostess character has appeared in other books, therefore this one is redundant. Bar Flower's story is as unique and universal as any good story.

But I get it that people want to dismiss her. Hostesses don't get any respect.

[ttjereth]

You're right, I haven't gone to any hostess bars actually. But you still haven't answered the question. So do the hostesses you know sleep with their customers or not? Or are you being vague because you're talking out of your behind?

I think it's less him being vague and more you being dense.

Greji's original statement:

She writes she suspects some of the girls might be doing it? I got more time on hostesses than I do on AOL and absolutely none of them have ever been concerned about "beyond the rules", even if they were aware of any rules.

How is that vague? I know Japanese jr. high school English students who could figure out that means he's slept with a lot of hostesses.

More time on (top of) hostesses than on AOL (the internet) = He's fucked a lot of hostesses.

This isn't exactly the dead sea scrolls or anything here.

Greji may be a lot of things, but he's not generally one to beat around the bush (hah!) or exercise unnecessary tact when it comes to discussions about sex.

Greji, you obviously need to stop posting in hieroglyphics.

[Samurai_Jerk]

JAPjap, are you a Japanese Jewish American Princess?

[kurohinge1]

. . . Greji may be a lot of things, but he's not generally one to beat around the bush (hah!) or exercise unnecessary tact when it comes to discussions about sex. . .

I think "unnecessary" was unnecessary.

[Mulboyne]

...I don't think it's fair to say that the foreign hostess character has appeared in other books, therefore this one is redundant...

If I had thought it was redundant, I wouldn't have made a point of going along to a bookshop to take a look at a copy. Having read some good reviews, I wanted to see for myself. I'm happy you enjoyed it but I think you can understand why the book might be less interesting for someone who has read and heard several other similar accounts. I enjoy Peter Carey's work but his "Wrong About Japan" was very disappointing and the book's harshest critics are generally people who have lived in Japan. Conversely, I had low expectations for Isaac Adamson's Billy Chaka series and it turned out to be very entertaining. Carey is the better writer but his take on Japan was hackneyed while Adamson's was fresh.

I also think you are barking up the wrong tree in believing anyone giving an honest opinion here is somehow showing a lack of respect for hostesses. I bring one perspective to bear when picking up a book and you bring another which is how it should be.

[JAPJap27]

I bring one perspective to bear when picking up a book and you bring another which is how it should be.

Yes, that is how it should be, you're right.

So you think Bar Flower is worthy of attention, but you're too evolved and knowledgeable about Japan and hostesses to give it more than a cursory glance. But you wish the author respectfully-but-slightly-patronizingly well. I get it!

JAPjap, are you a Japanese Jewish American Princess?

How did you know? And it's JAPJap btw:o

I think it's less him being vague and more you being dense.

Greji's original statement:

How is that vague? I know Japanese jr. high school English students who could figure out that means he's slept with a lot of hostesses.

Sorry, I can't speak Japanese School Girl or Charisma Man language. But thanks for interpreting for me.

[Greji]

[quote="kurohinge1"]I think "unnecessary" was unnecessary.

]

Most hostesses don't let you sleep?
How do you spell tact?

[Mulboyne]

... you're too evolved and knowledgeable about Japan and hostesses to give it more than a cursory glance. But you wish the author respectfully-but-slightly-patronizingly well...

You're imputing motives that don't exist. I wish her well because she is living in Japan and making a go of it. It's the same reason to read these forums: most people here are living, or have lived, in Japan and we all come up against similar kinds of challenges and find our own ways to deal with them. It is interesting hearing about other people's experiences in the country whether they are teaching, modelling, studying, hostessing, working in an office or whatever. For me, the Tokyo Weekender is a poor magazine but I admire the work that owner Caroline Pover has put in to build up her business. I doubt I'll ever buy anything from J-List but Peter Payne deserves credit for coming up with the idea and making it a success. Lea Jacobson not only finished writing her book - something that a lot of people say they'll do but often don't - she also got published. Finding a publisher usually involves a lot of rejection so going through all that does deserve respect.

Anyone who "evolves" in Japan - whatever that means - to the point when they think no-one can tell them anything has stopped living. There are a few long-time foreigners with views about the country that seem trapped in amber. On the other hand, someone just off the boat can have an insight which can open your eyes to an aspect of the country you never thought about before. That's one of the reasons to read widely and in that spirit I picked up Jacobson's book. It quickly became apparent that she covers the territory in a fashion I've seen before. There's no Japan snobbishness there: I like George Romero's "Dawn of the Dead" but many of the zombie films that followed seemed trapped by the conventions of the genre which gradually developed. It's the same with any genre and, unique individual though Lea Jacobson is, she followed the conventions of the genre she chose. The Publishers Weekly review on Amazon disagrees with that assessment and thinks she rises above them which is why I included it as a counterpoint.

[ttjereth]

Sorry, I can't speak Japanese School Girl or Charisma Man language. But thanks for interpreting for me.

No problem, just let me know when you are too stupid or too intentionally oblique to understand something you don't agree with in the future and I'll be sure to help.

BTW, you've only ever bothered posting on this particular post and only to defend/support the book. Rather passionately as well I'd say. On top of which, unless a mod edited it into your post, there is even a link from you to the book's amazon page.

So do you have some sort of personal interest in this book or are you/ somehow related to the author or something?

[kalvyn]

I originally got to this forum by googling a cool book that I recently enjoyed. I`d found some great stuff online about it...but then I came here. Here...where the dialogue quickly degenerates into a discussion about feces. Yet against my better judgement, I`ve been looking around. I`m not even sure what fuckedgaijin is supposed to mean, but if I could guess, I`d say it refers to an "insecure western haterman, still living in Asia because the Asians are too polite to tell him he`s a lame prick."

Bye now.

[gkanai]

So you think Bar Flower is worthy of attention, but you're too evolved and knowledgeable about Japan and hostesses to give it more than a cursory glance. But you wish the author respectfully-but-slightly-patronizingly well. I get it!

You are new here. You're anonymous. You've only posted in this thread.

You could be the author herself. You could be the author's family member. You could be the author's husband.

If you come into an established community, and start attacking the most prominent and knowledgeable members, anonymously, and without any experience to back up your claims, guess how seriously we'll take you?

[gkanai]

Bye now.

See ya! Don't let the browser hit you in the ass on the way out.

[Behan]

I originally got to this forum by googling a cool book that I recently enjoyed. I`d found some great stuff online about it...but then I came here. Here...where the dialogue quickly degenerates into a discussion about feces. Yet against my better judgement, I`ve been looking around. I`m not even sure what fuckedgaijin is supposed to mean, but if I could guess, I`d say it refers to an "insecure western haterman, still living in Asia because the Asians are too polite to tell him he`s a lame prick."

Bye now.

I bet this is Takepoo's alter ego.

[Iraira]

I originally got to this forum by googling a cool book that I recently enjoyed. I`d found some great stuff online about it...but then I came here. Here...where the dialogue quickly degenerates into a discussion about feces. Yet against my better judgement, I`ve been looking around. I`m not even sure what fuckedgaijin is supposed to mean, but if I could guess, I`d say it refers to an "insecure western haterman, still living in Asia because the Asians are too polite to tell him he`s a lame prick."

Bye now.

So you published the book on consignment and are shopping it around Japan-related sites under an alias?

[ttjereth]

So you published the book on consignment and are shopping it around Japan-related sites under an alias?

Aliases

[Samurai_Jerk]

How did you know? And it's JAPJap btw:o

Then you'd be the second one I've come across (unless you are indeed the JAPJap I know).

[kusai Jijii]

Kalvyn,
a heartfelt gift from the FG team to you for your valuable contibution. Welcome aboard!

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[Iraira]

Kalvyn,
a heartfelt gift from the FG team to you for your valuable contibution. Welcome aboard!

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I hope you washed the dildoes this time. Greji's goats have a very high fiber diet and well....dingleberries here and there really ruin a good "Welcome to the Neighborhood" gift.

[Visitor K]

oh come on guys.. dont be too hard on japjap or kalvyn.. think about how many times you have read a brand new book, googled it and then got really really defensive about it on a forum?
besides, im sure her mom and dad sincerely enjoyed reading the book.. (especially because they were reassured she didnt sleep with anybody for profit.. as if thats believable)

[Takechanpoo]

I`m not even sure what fuckedgaijin is supposed to mean, but if I could guess, I`d say it refers to an "insecure western haterman, still living in Asia because the Asians are too polite to tell him he`s a lame prick."

Thank you for talking about yourself.
But it seems like you still cannot notice it.

[Greji]

I originally got to this forum by googling a cool book that I recently enjoyed. I`d found some great stuff online about it...but then I came here. Here...where the dialogue quickly degenerates into a discussion about feces. Yet against my better judgement, I`ve been looking around. I`m not even sure what fuckedgaijin is supposed to mean, but if I could guess, I`d say it refers to an "insecure western haterman, still living in Asia because the Asians are too polite to tell him he`s a lame prick."

Bye now.

Your revulsion is quit easily solved. If you look up to the left or right corner of your window depending on thy broweser, move the cursor up to the little red box located there and punch the shit outta that mother!

[ttjereth]

oh come on guys.. dont be too hard on japjap or kalvyn.. think about how many times you have written a brand new book, googled it and then got really really defensive about it on a forum?

I fixed it for you.

[kurohinge1]

. . . BTW, you've only ever bothered posting on this particular [thread] and only to defend/support the book. Rather passionately as well I'd say. On top of which, unless a mod edited it into your post, there is even a link from you to the book's amazon page.

So do you have some sort of personal interest in this book or are you/ somehow related to the author or something?

I think you've hit the nail on the head. And I wouldn't be surprised if "kalvyn" is just another account for japjap27 (or a friend), as her comments suggest she hasn't read more than one thread on FG, and even in this one she's ignored the painstakingly polite and patient responses from Mulboyne (who, to his credit, suffers fools much better than I do) and she has clearly posted with an agenda in mind.

Besides, I thought the Bedouins' tip for curing dysentery via fresh camel poo was a valuable insight.

[Greji]

[quote="kurohinge1"]
Besides, I thought the Bedouins' tip for curing dysentery via fresh camel poo was a valuable insight.

]

Kuro, are you in the shit again?

[Not Invented Here]

I'm pretty sure that this anonymous shill is at least 62.3% likely to be the author herself. Notice how she didn't offer to sleep with anyone in exchange for a kinder review?

[ttjereth]

[quote="kurohinge1"]I think you've hit the nail on the head. And I wouldn't be surprised if "kalvyn" is just another account for japjap27 (or a friend), as her comments suggest she hasn't read more than one thread on FG, and even in this one she's ignored the painstakingly polite and patient responses from Mulboyne (who, to his credit, suffers fools much better than me) and she has clearly posted with an agenda in mind.

Besides, I thought the Bedouins' tip for curing dysentery via fresh camel poo was a valuable insight.

]

There's certainly plent of bullshit in this thread, no camels in sight though

[Greji]

There's certainly plent of bullshit in this thread, no camels in sight though

Camel's just a tall goat, right?

[baka tono]

I might read the sequal to Im a pathetic emo nutjob hostess if the author went and slugged it out in a Yubari coal mine for a few years or something like that.

[Ol Dirty Gaijin]

Camel's just a tall goat, right?

Depends on the hump I s'pose.

[ttjereth]

So is anyone else surprised they seem to have disappeared? I think when I'm a bit bored later I'll go an post links to this thread on a few book store/review sites.