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The Younger Generation Is Ruining It For Everyone

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The Younger Generation Is Ruining It For Everyone

Postby Mulboyne » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:56 pm

[floatr]Image[/floatr]WSJ: Slacker Nation? Young Japanese Shun Promotions
Hidekazu Nishikido, a 24-year-old agent at a staffing company, recently got promoted to help manage a small group of employees. The new job means a higher salary and a better title. But he isn't happy about it. Now he often works past 10 p.m., leaving him less time with his girlfriend. So Mr. Nishikido flatly told his bosses at R-live Inc. he isn't interested in further promotions. "My job is important, but it's not what makes me tick," Mr. Nishikido says. In a country once proud of its success-driven "salarymen," managers are grappling with a new phenomenon: Many young workers are shunning choice promotions -- even forgoing raises -- in favor of humdrum jobs with minimal responsibilities. Even as Japan faces a sharp recession, civil servants are opting out of career-advancing exams and information-technology workers are flocking to headhunters to switch to less-demanding careers. A study this year by the consulting firm Towers Perrin found just 3% of Japanese workers say they're putting their full effort into their jobs -- the lowest of 18 countries surveyed...Employment experts have begun to call these workers hodo-hodo zoku, or the "so-so folks." They say these workers, mostly in their 20s and early 30s, are sapping Japan's international competitiveness at a time when the aging country must raise its productivity to keep the economy growing. "They'll ruin Japan with their lax work ethic," says labor consultant Yukiko Takita. "They're supposed to be leaders of the next generation"...more...
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Postby plaid_knight » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:16 pm

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Postby SgtBeavis » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:36 pm

Historically the US has had productivity rates that are higher or equal to Japan. While Americans tend to work a lot harder than Europeans (on average) we don't work nearly as hard as Japanese. Our equivalent to a salaryman only work 40 hours a week with overtime here and there. Yet we get just as much accomplished as a Japanese office worker.

This isn't a slam against Japanese workers, instead it is a slam against Japanese management. There are ways to have a rational work week and get work accomplished.

How are you going to grow the Japanese population when you're tiring your workers out so much that they don't have time for having kids or enjoying their family. My Brother In Law, in Tokyo, barely ever gets to see his son.
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Postby Buraku » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:48 pm

Nishikido has a point I'm not sure if working harder and getting the work force to break their backs really cuts it anymore, look at the Korean auto workers bust up your back and get yoursef fucked
They probably started pushing themselves twice as hard as the Japanese with years of long hours and no overtime pay but some of their cars like Daewoo sank like a stone. Crap managment and the model of car wasn't up to quality
What's needed today is better strategy, R&D, efficiency etc
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Postby Charles » Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:25 pm

SgtBeavis wrote:Historically the US has had productivity rates that are higher or equal to Japan. While Americans tend to work a lot harder than Europeans (on average) we don't work nearly as hard as Japanese.

Speak for yourself. I just checked my work records, I clocked 72 hours this week, I did 70 hours last week.
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Postby wuchan » Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:12 am

Charles wrote:Speak for yourself. I just checked my work records, I clocked 72 hours this week, I did 70 hours last week.

Studies have proven that workers on a 40 hour work week produce far less on Friday. Many US companies are going the part time route. If your workers work 5 hours a day, on Friday they have the same output as they did on Monday PLUS with two five hour shifts a day you get two extra hours a day without having to pay overtime. Japan has it all wrong. Good for me tho, if they thought like the french or progressive American companies I would not have a job.
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Postby prolly » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:41 am

charles equates "clocking in" as synonymous with "working" - but anyone who has dealt with staff at am american post office or dmv can tell the difference between being "on site" with "doing actual work"
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Postby Charles » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:19 am

prolly wrote:charles equates "clocking in" as synonymous with "working"..

In my particular case, yes. I worked continuously.
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Postby Neo-Rio » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:48 am

Mulboyne wrote: "They'll ruin Japan with their lax work ethic," says labor consultant Yukiko Takita. "They're supposed to be leaders of the next generation"


Waa! boo-hooo! No more salary-men to bully around anymore!

How are big businesses supposed to function without overworked peons - told how useless they are on a daily basis so that they continue to accept their meagre pay-packet, and overwork themselves!? It's a crime! They shouldn't have things like hobbies, or lives outside work! They shouldn't even have *shudder*... FAMILIES! A worker with a family is not as expendable! It's an outrage that they should even have any FUN! They're supposed to be company property, and shouldn't be allowed to quit their jobs! That's what lifetime employment is all about! You're supposed to get a lifetime of security! Just don't tell anyone that they could get the same amount of security inside a penitentiary - or they'd all try to get arrested!
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Postby canman » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:40 pm

The thing that kills me is that there are a number of companies that want their workers to get married. Hell they hire all of these tea serving girls as a type of match making service. Then when the workers get married and want to spend time with their wife and kids, the company needs them.
Also I really disagree with the comment about how much Japanese work. I agree with Prolly that so much time is wasted being on the clock. Near my house there is an hockey arena with a large parking lot. On an given day, in the afternoon there will be anywhere up to 50 cars with salesmen or workers taking naps in their cars.(with the engine running of course) Now how is that productive, unless they are preparing themselves for a long night of drinking and karaoke. Go back to the office do your job and go home at a regular time.
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Postby kusai Jijii » Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:56 pm

Charles wrote:Speak for yourself. I just checked my work records, I clocked 72 hours this week, I did 70 hours last week.


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Postby kusai Jijii » Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:59 pm

plaid_knight wrote:Maybe it's time for people in Japan to rise up and demand 35 to 40 hour workweeks. May they bring an end to sabisu zangyo.


Maybe if there was a serious attempt to stop the ever increasing contracting of 'temporary workers' then we'd have less kids 'electing' to be 'working poor'.

I mean can you blame 'em?
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Postby Mulboyne » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:59 pm

There's a feature on the artist who draws the "Otaryman" manga, mentioned in the article in the original post, here.
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Gaijin should more than object

Postby cot faulking » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:21 am

When Japanese are working too hard that means that the j girls are too. So as gaijin, mostly guys, we should advocate working less.

Hey it's our sex lives we are talking about.
Less work means more sex with their gaijin "kareshi".:liar:

Debatable whether has any effect on whether j guys will get any...

Opps forgot...no one cares about them...hehehe

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