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Mulboyne wrote:You have the Supreme Court on your side.
Cyka UchuuJin wrote:basically after giving a 400.000 key money, plus 250.000 damage deposit, the owner has given me a bill for 225.000 in 'foreigner caused damages'. He further went on to say that he was unhappy with the number of foreigners that came to stay with me and 'ruined his apartment'.
Cyka UchuuJin wrote:he's included things in there like 'house cleaning', and 'waste disposal' and other little amount that are totally unreasonable.
Greji wrote:If that foreigner was Iraira, I'd a hit you for 300,000 in damages.
;)"Yeah, I've been always awkward toward women and have spent pathetic life so far but I could graduate from being a cherry boy by using geisha's pussy at last! Yeah!! And off course I have an account in Fuckedgaijin.com. Yeah!!!"
Cyka UchuuJin wrote:if he wasn't given 400.000 in key money, i might be a little less angry about it, but when you're given that much (which of course i later found out was a lot more than average), then he doesn't need to be so stingy.
Catoneinutica wrote:The whole key money scam is even more extortionate in Kansai than in Kanto.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:I've heard the opposite too though, so who knows WTF is actually true. Anyway, I think this whole problem stems from the Japanese shoganai attitude. People here are way to quick to just bend over, grab their ankles, grit their teeth, and take it if someone tells them to.
Cyka UchuuJin wrote:Syokyaku
how would you define that?
;)"Yeah, I've been always awkward toward women and have spent pathetic life so far but I could graduate from being a cherry boy by using geisha's pussy at last! Yeah!! And off course I have an account in Fuckedgaijin.com. Yeah!!!"
Cyka UchuuJin wrote:i'm going to fight the bastard to the end.
Yokohammer wrote:I'm right behind you on this one Cyka (so don't bend over).
Been there a couple of times myself and have won on both counts. Japanese law really does favor the tenant. Talking to lawyers might seem scary, but it might be a good idea. You should be able to get a consultation with a decent lawyer for as little as 5,000 ~ 10,000. He (or she) will be able to tell you exactly where you stand re the law. You might be pleasantly surprised. It will give you the confidence you need.
Of course it will cost you more if you actually want the lawyer to take action (although probably not as much as you think ... it'll probably cost your landlord a lot more), but just knowing where you stand can make all the difference in the world!
Go for it. Don't back down.
It's important for all of us.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:In Tokyo there's some kind of real estate association that will give you free consultation in real estate law and tenant rights. If you call your city office, they'll tell where there's one in Osaka.
klimmer wrote:There's no need to engage lawyers for such disputes. All you need to do is to gather your supporting documents, and print out the Metropolitan Government's guideline to tenant/landlord dispute here:
http://www.toshiseibi.metro.tokyo.jp/juutaku_seisaku/tintai/310-4-jyuutaku.htm
http://www.toshiseibi.metro.tokyo.jp/juutaku_seisaku/tintai/310-3-jyuutaku.htm
Pay the saiban fees of JPY12,000 and the judge will take care of the rest. The landlord almost always backs down.
Cyka UchuuJin wrote:sorry for the delayed response, but thank you all for this. the problem continues like this...
the apartment was in the name of my former business partner. when we moved in, the owner came over and asked who was actually going to live there. we explained that it would be both of us, depending on who was in town at the time. he said he was ok with that, but was nervous about foreigners being there because of noise,etc. there were never any complaints and the doorman even told him that the 'building committee' (made up of old gossipy women who are 150 years old) was very pleased to have such a nice neighbour.
the initial 2 year contract expired in feb of 2007 and we asked if he wanted us to sign another one and he said it was fine to just continue paying the rent. so now, of course, he's reverted to the 'the foreigner damaged my apartment badly and i don't want to give deposit back, etc etc'. noriko (yeah yeah, that is actually her name) called the agency that found the place for us and they are the ones who said this syokakyu is a tricky word to use and that there's no subleasing, although the payments for rent always came from her account, there was no actual subleasing going on at all, because she used the place as well as our office and her address in osaka.
now the owner is just hanging up the phone when she calls or not even answering. the leasing agency says there's nothing they can do. i've just sent noriko the links that were posted above, but she's now even starting to give me the 'i don't know what else to do, lawyers are expensive and will cost more than the deposit, maybe nothing more can be done'. which is making me think i'm going to have to start leaning on her too.
i'm not even asking for my full deposit back, i'm just asking for the guy to be fair and get several estimates and stick to what he said during the inspection!
kusai Jijii wrote:In the near two decades I've been here, I've had not a single problem with J-lords. But in all honesty, I have seen one gaijin after the other think he was soooo clever by 'doing a runner' when the last rent was due, not giving a fuck about 'gomi bunbetsu', etc. etc. I'm not saying that FGs are immune to discrimination etc, but there's no shortage of FG wankers who all too readily give the J-lords cause to fuck with us.
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