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Postby Mike Oxlong » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:25 pm

[SIZE="4"]Rudeness Is a Neurotoxin[/SIZE]

Americans are rude. I say this not to preach, which is neither my right nor my intention, but as a scientist, a developmental neuroscientist. My concern about American rudeness relates to my scientific research and knowledge about the development of the human brain. My conclusion comes from a recent trip to Japan, and from a reminder of times past, the death of actress Barbara Billingsley, who died Oct. 16, 2010.

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The contrast between the brash, comparatively disrespectful behavior of Americans today and the courtesy, formal manners, civil discourse, polite behavior and respect for others regardless of social status that is evident in Japanese society is striking. The contrast hits an American like a splash of cold water upon disembarking the airplane in Japan, because it clashes so starkly with our behavior. For an American, Japanese manners and courtesy must be experienced.

American children today are raised in an environment that is far more hostile than the environment that nurtured today's adults. Children today are exposed to behaviors, profane language, hostilities and stress from which we adults, raised a generation ago, were carefully shielded. When I was a boy, there were no metal detectors at the entrance to my school. The idea was inconceivable, and there was indeed no need for them. Not so today. I wonder: how does this different environment affect brain development?

First it is helpful to consider, from a biological perspective, what "rudeness" is, so that we can consider what is lost when formal polite behaviors are cast away. People (and animals) living together in large numbers must develop strict formalized behaviors governing interactions between all individuals in the group, or there will be strife and chaos. In the natural world, as in the civilized world, it is stressful for individuals (people or animals) to interact with strangers, and also with other members of a working group and family members. As the size of the group increases, so do the number of interactions between individuals, thus raising the level of stress if not controlled by formal, stereotyped behavior, which in human society is called "manners." The formal "Yes, Sir, Yes, Ma'am," is not a showy embellishment in the military; strict respect and formal polite discourse are the hub of the wheel in any effective and cohesive social structure. True, many chafe under a system of behavior that is overly rigid, as do many young Japanese, but my point is that these polite and formalized behaviors reduce stress in a stressful situation that arises from being an individual in a complex society. Stress is a neurotoxin, especially during development of a child's brain...


Via The Huffington Post
I take it Dr. Fields has never been to a Japanese middle school, nor has read up on the social pressures those students face.
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Postby Coligny » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:52 pm

Mike Oxlong wrote:Rudeness Is a Neurotoxin



Via The Huffington Post
I take it Dr. Fields has never been to a Japanese middle school, nor has read up on the social pressures those students face.


Yeah, I had a near death experience yesterday in Kahma's parking between my CrapCar(tm) and a Totoya Highlander that could shatter his worldview aboot Japan...

(2 cars, 1 parking spot... I was the only one using my warning indicators to show that I wanted to park, but the Totoya thought he wuz going to scares me... Didun't weurk... after a 5 minutes deadlock I gave up and took another place... Meanwhile Kahma's McDo ran out of fried potatoes... and the other guy didun't take the place either... driver wuz looking high... maybe he wuz after all... BUT, IN WHAT WORLD WE ARE LIVING IF McDO CAN RUN OUT OF fRENCH FRIES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY !!!???)
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Postby Uthark_Runa » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:09 am

I am not defending the US at all nor am I implying that Japan is more rude. IMO I think its a big city thing.

I think people in Tokyo are extremely rude, as they are in NYC. For example Everyday I see a young(er) person in the reserve seats on the train who wont get up for an elderly person, or someone answer their phone, and talking quite loud. I notice a lot of people around here seem to be in their own world , just playing with their phone not paying attention. That last example may not be intentional rudeness, but is still rude none the less.
From my own experience(7 years here) The younger people are the most blatantly rude, especially the teased up hair, woman's blouse wearing guys. I never understood how you can walk around in those clothes looking anorexic and still trying to act tough? Very strange phenomena.

I think they should have referenced Thailand for manners, that country, including Bangkok had more friendly and courteous people than anywhere I have been...I know some of you are going to make comment's about prostitutes to be funny, but you know what I mean.

Well I guess my point would be once you get around 2 million human beings together, we really start to act like assholes, I think this is more sound theory than the Huffington Post one lol.
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Postby Coligny » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:04 am

Uthark_Runa wrote:I think people in Tokyo are extremely rude, as they are in NYC. For example Everyday I see a young(er) person in the reserve seats on the train who wont get up for an elderly person, or someone answer their phone, and talking quite loud. I notice a lot of people around here seem to be in their own world , just playing with their phone not paying attention. That last example may not be intentional rudeness, but is still rude none the less.


Are you Emo ?

Or shall we open another topic to discuss the evolution of what is considered rudeness versus busybody across the time...
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Postby Catoneinutica » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:12 am

Coligny wrote:Are you Emo ?

Or shall we open another topic to discuss the evolution of what is considered rudeness versus busybody across the time...


Yeah, I was making a right-hand turn last night and almost hit a pedestrian. He was dressed in a black parka and jeans and had dark hair, making him hard to see: pretty rude of him.

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Postby wuchan » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:16 am

Pushing the door close button in the elevator a thousand times as people are approaching is rude but 90% of japanese people do it. Just sayin'
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Postby Coligny » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:21 am

Catoneinutica wrote:-but those buttfux who text while piloting their bicycles down the sidewalk really are a menace


and with the evolution of the road and traffic law putting bicycle more in lin with cars rather than pedestrian it certainly also is illegal...
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Postby Uthark_Runa » Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:06 pm

Coligny wrote:Are you Emo ?

Or shall we open another topic to discuss the evolution of what is considered rudeness versus busybody across the time...


HAHA Emo, haven't heard that used in a while....if you consider someone who thinks its ok to be totally engrossed with their cell and walk into my 120kg head first and bounce off to the ground, and then have the nerve to tell me to watch out...well I think thats rude...emo to you I guess.
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Postby Marked Trail » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:36 pm

Uthark_Runa wrote:...my 120kg...emo to you I guess.

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Postby maraboutslim » Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:19 am

wuchan wrote:Pushing the door close button in the elevator a thousand times as people are approaching is rude but 90% of japanese people do it. Just sayin'


After a certain point, it's more rude of the people approaching to expect those already in the elevator to continue to delay their trip. And if you're the guy standing there holding the "open" button, you're being rude to the people in the elevator who want to get on with their lives. I think the doors should automatically shut in 10 seconds: 5 seconds for everyone to get their ass out, 5 seconds for new people to get in, then go already.

Kind of like when you stop to let somebody out into traffic, you're being really nice to them, but being rude to the 20 cars behind you that you've delayed.

The goal for those living amongst others should be to cause the least inconvenience to other humans as possible, even if it inconveniences yourself. Causing 10 people to wait 30 seconds is much worse than having one guy have to wait another minute for a clearing in traffic to get himself out or wait for the next elevator to come.
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Postby Mulboyne » Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:58 am

I don't think causing a minor inconvenience for someone should automatically be labelled as rudeness.
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Postby Dragonette » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:12 am

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Postby Uthark_Runa » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:32 am

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Damn how did you find my picture!?...so much for anonymity on FG.
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Postby Coligny » Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:25 am

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Postby Dragonette » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:52 pm

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Postby Coligny » Sun Jan 09, 2011 2:54 pm

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Postby Ganma » Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:25 pm

maraboutslim wrote:After a certain point, it's more rude of the people approaching to expect those already in the elevator to continue to delay their trip. And if you're the guy standing there holding the "open" button, you're being rude to the people in the elevator who want to get on with their lives. I think the doors should automatically shut in 10 seconds: 5 seconds for everyone to get their ass out, 5 seconds for new people to get in, then go already.

Kind of like when you stop to let somebody out into traffic, you're being really nice to them, but being rude to the 20 cars behind you that you've delayed.

The goal for those living amongst others should be to cause the least inconvenience to other humans as possible, even if it inconveniences yourself. Causing 10 people to wait 30 seconds is much worse than having one guy have to wait another minute for a clearing in traffic to get himself out or wait for the next elevator to come.

I totally agree. Unless someone has got their foot in the door I'm going to press the close button. I hate it when people keep the elevator door open just because it seems someone 10 meters away 'might' want to use the elevator.
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Postby Adhesive » Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:40 pm

http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15338&page=2&highlight=polite+city
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Postby Greji » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:02 pm

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Postby kagemusha » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:13 pm

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Postby Midwinter » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:03 am

Mike Oxlong wrote:[SIZE="4"]Rudeness Is a Neurotoxin[/SIZE]



Via The Huffington Post
I take it Dr. Fields has never been to a Japanese middle school, nor has read up on the social pressures those students face.


Nor has he ever driven in Japan apparently.
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Postby Coligny » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:08 am

Midwinter wrote:Nor has he ever driven in Aichi apparently.


Fixed for you, Hokkaido is like another planet... they even stop at red lights...
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Postby Mike Oxlong » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:40 pm

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Postby Catoneinutica » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:11 pm

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Postby IparryU » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:56 am

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Postby CHiZZoPs » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:51 am

So true,

Face-to-face, the Japanese are very polite, but put them behind the wheel of a car where they become anonymous, and rarely have I seen more selfish, self-serving and crappy drivers--and they have to pay $4k for a driver's license!

After almost causing a handful of accidents, I decided to stop brake-checking everyone who was riding my bumper--and then there was the kid flashing his brights and tailgating me on a two-land highway completely full of traffic. When I was finally able to get over and gave him the bird, he flipped a lid and tried to run me off the road, and threw a PET bottle at my car. Never wanted to cause gross bodily harm to someone more in my life.
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Postby matsuki » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:26 pm

CHiZZoPs wrote:So true,

Face-to-face, the Japanese are very polite, but put them behind the wheel of a car where they become anonymous, and rarely have I seen more selfish, self-serving and crappy drivers--and they have to pay $4k for a driver's license!

After almost causing a handful of accidents, I decided to stop brake-checking everyone who was riding my bumper--and then there was the kid flashing his brights and tailgating me on a two-land highway completely full of traffic. When I was finally able to get over and gave him the bird, he flipped a lid and tried to run me off the road, and threw a PET bottle at my car. Never wanted to cause gross bodily harm to someone more in my life.


Let him hit your car and have to explain how it occurred to the police? I dunno, haven't had a crazy encounter just yet but if the guy is that crazy, I doubt he'll be able to hold the rage back in front of others The worse I've encountered so far are those asses that use the shoulder on the highway to drive past traffic and most of them I've seen get caught.
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