'Monoculture' Japan inspires Norway's Mass Murderer

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

So it's the monoculture? I thought it was the four seasons...

[wagyl]

It sounds like everyone wants a piece of the action is this drama.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

It doesn't surprise me in the least that a fascist, Chrstian fundamentalist mass murderer would have some affinity of the likes of those gentlemen.

I didn't notice the headline comma at first and my initial thought was "WTF does this bloke want with a deceased American sports broadcaster?"

Also thought the stories were funny and highlight the shared insularity of Japan and Australia in that their respective media react this way. Both so desperate for recognition on a global scale they willingly associate themselves with razed mass murderers.

Shite, I should get a PhD in sociiology for this post. Maybe I should say something about birds and get another one in Feminist Studies, too?

[matsuki]

Peaceful? Indeed, look at Japan and South Korea's "monoculture" suicide rates...

[xenomorph42]

It doesn't surprise me in the least that a fascist, Chrstian fundamentalist mass murderer would have some affinity of the likes of those gentlemen.

I didn't notice the headline comma at first and my initial thought was "WTF does this bloke want with a deceased American sports broadcaster?"

Also thought the stories were funny and highlight the shared insularity of Japan and Australia in that their respective media react this way. Both so desperate for recognition on a global scale they willingly associate themselves with razed mass murderers.

Shite, I should get a PhD in sociiology for this post. Maybe I should say something about birds and get another one in Feminist Studies, too?

There was no proof that this loon was a Christian fundamentalist at least in the sense that he killed those people in the name of God. Just saying...
Not like the crazy islamists that go around shouting "Allah Akbar!" which is in the name of God. This guy was saying that he praised Japanese mono-culture and wanted Europe to halt islamic expansion throughout the European continent which is/was mostly Christian. But then again, Mussolini though he was a Christian too.

[Samurai_Jerk]

There was no proof that this loon was a Christian fundamentalist at least in the sense that he killed those people in the name of God. Just saying...
Not like the crazy islamists that go around shouting "Allah Akbar!" which is in the name of God. This guy was saying that he praised Japanese mono-culture and wanted Europe to halt islamic expansion throughout the European continent which is/was mostly Christian. But then again, Mussolini though he was a Christian too.

He apparetly was pretty active on fundamentalist websites in the past too. I'm not sure how much of that is media exaggeration though.

[IparryU]

He apparetly was pretty active on fundamentalist websites in the past too. I'm not sure how much of that is media exaggeration though.

i wonder what his facebook and twitter look like...

Kill all non-whites!

If you live in Japan or Korea... Kill all non Chinese lookalikes!

[2triky]

i wonder what his facebook and twitter look like...

Kill all non-whites!

Funny that notwithstanding his "manifesto" he blasted a bunch of pure Caucasian, Arayan types in an effort to spark revolution.

He may have espoused a fascist ideology, but his antecedents in the 5th SS Panzer "Wiking" Division wouldn't have approved.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Funny that notwithstanding his "manifesto" he blasted a bunch of pure Caucasian, Arayan types in an effort to spark revolution.

He may have espoused a fascist ideology, but his antecedents in the 5th SS Panzer "Wiking" Division wouldn't have approved.

He bombed a government office and killed a bunch of kids at a Labor Party youth camp so in his mind he was attacking the problem: the left-wing political party currently in power.

[2triky]

He bombed a government office and killed a bunch of kids at a Labor Party youth camp so in his mind he was attacking the problem: the left-wing political party currently in power.

Fair enough, but according to his world view the gist of the problem was the infiltration of Islam...you will not gain much fans but killing the people you're trying to convince. Even the Unabomber directed his animus at people at he thought were the source of the problem.

In any event, I get what you're saying.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Fair enough, but according to his world view the gist of the problem was the infiltration of Islam...you will not gain much fans but killing the people you're trying to convince. Even the Unabomber directed his animus at people at he thought were the source of the problem.

In any event, I get what you're saying.

You're looking for logical thinking from a guy who bombed a government office and went on a shooting spree at a youth camp?

[2triky]

You're looking for logical thinking from a guy who bombed a government office and went on a shooting spree at a youth camp?

Indeed. There is no logic to be found. Having said that, those he detested (i.e. Muslims) are much more pointed in their disapproval when it comes to terrorist acts. Merely trying to point out the irony.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Indeed. There is no logic to be found. Having said that, those he detested (i.e. Muslims) are much more pointed in their disapproval when it comes to terrorist acts. Merely trying to point out the irony.

Really? A Muslim blowing himself up in market full of random Muslim men, women and children is "more pointed"?

If you really want to try to find some logic in this guy's actions, you can. His beef is with European governments allowing in immigrants from Islamic countries. One of the political groups he blames is the Labor Party in Norway. Who better to attack?

[2triky]

Really? A Muslim blowing himself up in market full of random Muslim men, women and children is "more pointed"?

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If you really want to try to find some logic in this guy's actions, you can. His beef is with European governments allowing in immigrants from Islamic countries. One of the political groups he blames is the Labor Party in Norway. Who better to attack?[/QUOTE]

I'm not seeking logic...I'm pointing out the obvious irony.

[Samurai_Jerk]

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Considering Tanzania has a pretty big Muslim population and most of the people killed were Tanzanians, they probably could have figured on killing some Muslims. And London, are you fucking kidding me?

I'm not seeking logic...I'm pointing out the obvious irony.

And I'm saying there isn't any irony of you look at his beliefs.

[2triky]

Considering Tanzania has a pretty big Muslim population and most of the people killed were Tanzanians, they probably could have figured on killing some Muslims. And London, are you fucking kidding me?

It's laughable if you think their primary target was the death of fellow Muslims.
Any collateral damage is unintended and excusable under the fundamentalist interpretation of Sharia Law.

And I'm saying there isn't any irony of you look at his beliefs.

The irony is that he felt it necessary to kill his "brethren" to instigate the so-called revolution.

Go to the Middle East if you think otherwise. Been there, done that.

[Taro Toporific]

Here's the video that the fruitcake Anders Behring Breivik posted on YouTube before he attacked...
...

[Yokohammer]

The more I look into this (not that I'm spending a lot of time on it), the more complex, deep-rooted and freaky it looks.

Here's an interesting article that invokes Stieg Larsson, the guy who wrote the incredibly popular Millenium trilogy. Apparently he had been somewhat of a crusader against the far-right during his lifetime.

Anders Breivik, Stieg Larsson, and the Men with the Nazi Tattoos

I didn't realize that the neo-nazis and ultra-nationalists were so entrenched in that part of Europe.

[Samurai_Jerk]

It's laughable if you think their primary target was the death of fellow Muslims.
Any collateral damage is unintended and excusable under the fundamentalist interpretation of Sharia Law.

I don't think that. However, when guys in Iraq walk into a market and blow themselves up the primary target is other Muslims. The point is to cause unrest.

[Samurai_Jerk]

The more I look into this (not that I'm spending a lot of time on it), the more complex, deep-rooted and freaky it looks.

Here's an interesting article that invokes Stieg Larsson, the guy who wrote the incredibly popular Millenium trilogy. Apparently he had been somewhat of a crusader against the far-right during his lifetime.

Anders Breivik, Stieg Larsson, and the Men with the Nazi Tattoos

I didn't realize that the neo-nazis and ultra-nationalists were so entrenched in that part of Europe.

I've always found it interesting how many neo-Nazis there are in Russia. If anyone would be anti-Nazi, you'd think it would be a Russian.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I've always found it interesting how many neo-Nazis there are in Russia. If anyone would be anti-Nazi, you'd think it would be a Russian.

Anti-Semitism is as Russian as vodka.

[Catoneinutica]

Brief observations:

-Horrible that the body count got as high as it did. Folks seem to have known he wasn't a real cop; why didn't anyone try to stop him? Not a lot of Norwegian heroism on display here.

-Norway, like Vichy France (what the French call "Free France") was an Axis Power. A lot of folks seem not to know that. (And Sweden was quite pro-Axis, although it proclaimed a facile neutrality.)

-I asked my wife if the J-press had reported his admiration of Japan's homogeneity. Nope - it's a informational bell jar here. She was startled to hear about it.

[Iraira]

I've always found it interesting how many neo-Nazis there are in Russia. If anyone would be anti-Nazi, you'd think it would be a Russian.

There are neo-nazis in Mongolia. They've adopted all the WWII-era designs and mannerisms, although they are expressly anti-Chinese.

[legion]

I don't think that. However, when guys in Iraq walk into a market and blow themselves up the primary target is other Muslims. The point is to cause unrest.

I think there you are dealing with the depths of the human psyche and a tendency to nihilism

[Coligny]

Brief observations:
-Norway, like Vichy France (what the French call "Free France") was an Axis Power. A lot of folks seem not to know that. (And Sweden was quite pro-Axis, although it proclaimed a facile neutrality.)

I think you meant "vassal"...

[Samurai_Jerk]

Anti-Semitism is as Russian as vodka.

You can be an anti-Semite without being a neo-Nazi.

[2triky]

I don't think that. However, when guys in Iraq walk into a market and blow themselves up the primary target is other Muslims. The point is to cause unrest.

I agree.

The only wrinkle that might be worth mentioning though is in many of those instances in Iraq the terrorism was aimed at Shiite Muslims by Sunni Muslims displaced from power after the fall of Saddam. Those two groups have had historical animosity toward one another.

[2triky]

Anti-Semitism is as Russian as vodka.

For sure. The Bolshevik Revolution was no friend to the Jew. Decades later, after the establishment of Israel in 1948, Stalin in his paranoia began to think Jews in the Soviet Union would have sympathies that lay outside the state. It didn't end well for them.

[Typhoon]

For sure. The Bolshevik Revolution was no friend to the Jew.

Odd. A number of the leaders of the Bolshevik Revolution, such as Trotsky, were Russian Jews.

Many Russian and E European Jews were attracted to Communism as it seemed to be a way out of their historical situation.

Jewish intellectuals, typically of the left, across Europe and the US were strongly supportive of the Bolshevik Revolution.

Decades later, after the establishment of Israel in 1948, Stalin in his paranoia began to think Jews in the Soviet Union would have sympathies that lay outside the state. It didn't end well for them.

Yes.

[2triky]

Odd. A number of the leaders of the Bolshevik Revolution, such as Trotsky, were Russian Jews.

Many Russian and E European Jews were attracted to Communism as it seemed to be a way out of their historical situation.

Jewish intellectuals, typically of the left, across Europe and the US were strongly supportive of the Bolshevik Revolution.

I can't argue that there were notable members of the Russian intelligentsia that were leaders of Bolshevik Revolution, but I think at the time there was still a hostility to Judaism. In those early years many of said Jewish leaders were eventually weeded out by way of sham trials, forced confessions, or outright murder to remove them from power.


Moreover, perhaps ironically, there was also some early agreement among Bolsheviks and Nazis that saw Jews as exploiters of the working class (at least in Germany).

I'm not an expert on the period by any means...just some food for thought.