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MrUltimateGaijin wrote:in the tsunami hit towns there wasnt much left to loot. There were quite a few less people and those people tended to be old folks who probably dont tend to "lets loot" much.
MrUltimateGaijin wrote:in the tsunami hit towns there wasnt much left to loot. There were quite a few less people and those people tended to be old folks who probably dont tend to "lets loot" much.
GomiGirl wrote:Am going to digress a moment and ask if the word "looting" makes the act seem less egregious than the word "theft".
A person who wouldn't want to be labelled a "thief" is fine to be known as a "looter" if the situation presented itself.
Now I am not talking about the person who is searching for food but the one who is jumping through plate glass window (previously smashed by somebody else) to walk off with a flat screen telly. Sure, the person who smashed the plate glass window leaving property unsecure is more culpable than the opportunist who comes along afterwards, reaches in and helps themselves. However, it is still theft.
Or am I being naive?
GomiGirl wrote:Am going to digress a moment and ask if the word "looting" makes the act seem less egregious than the word "theft".
GomiGirl wrote:A person who wouldn't want to be labelled a "thief" is fine to be known as a "looter" if the situation presented itself.
GomiGirl wrote:Now I am not talking about the person who is searching for food but the one who is jumping through plate glass window (previously smashed by somebody else) to walk off with a flat screen telly. Sure, the person who smashed the plate glass window leaving property unsecure is more culpable than the opportunist who comes along afterwards, reaches in and helps themselves. However, it is still theft.
Yokohammer wrote:Theft is theft.
Yokohammer wrote:If, however, the term "looting" applies to someone quietly walking into someone's property that has been damaged by a disaster and helping themselves to stuff, then there has been plenty of looting. I personally think the latter is looting too, it's just not violent or obvious. Very Japanese.
Yokohammer wrote:Not in my opinion. Theft is theft.
If the door is open, wouldn't it be stealing instead ? if just the door is forced that would be burglary, if item are destroyed for no reason that would be looting...Originally Posted by Yokohammer
If, however, the term "looting" applies to someone quietly walking into someone's property that has been damaged by a disaster and helping themselves to stuff, then there has been plenty of looting. I personally think the latter is looting too, it's just not violent or obvious. Very Japanese.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:I agree but if I were in a situation where a natural disaster had made it impossible to get food, water, medicine and other necessities legally, I wouldn't hesitate to steal. Same goes for squating in an abandoned home or business for shelter.
Yokohammer wrote:Sure. That's survival. I doubt there was much need for that though. Emergency food and supplies became available pretty quickly at evacuation centers. I'm talking about opportunistic theft (looting), which there was apparently quite a bit of, and it continued long after normal supply lines were restored.
Here's an example that confuses me a bit though: people were siphoning gas out of stranded cars to fill their own. That seems sort of OK on the surface, but suppose the owner of the stranded vehicle came back and wanted to retrieve the gas, which was his or her property, to use in another vehicle? Does it come down to an issue of who needs the gas the most, regardless of ownership? Is it even possible to quantify "need" in that situation?
chokonen888 wrote:Exactly my point. Shit was bad there but with everything that was sent in, there was no need for scavenging and whatnot. That was just plain looting/thievery.
Yokohammer wrote:Not so sure about that. Isn't a person who finds a wallet on the street, pockets whatever cash it might contain, and then dumps the wallet in a trash can somewhere normally considered a thief as well?
maraboutslim wrote:Do you really think it is theft to find an item in a public space and keep it? Do personal property rights extend to things we have lost?
Mulboyne wrote:In Japan, it's a criminal offence not to hand in lost property you might find. As a carrot, there's a designated reward schedule if the item is claimed and it becomes yours if it goes unclaimed. More in this post. You might think arresting people who fail to turn in lost property is virtually impossible but the system is one reason why lost items do frequently turn up.
One example of a recent arrest arose when a bank customer left a cash withdrawal at a bank ATM. Another customer found it and walked off with it. CCTV revealed their identity and police made an arrest.
Yokohammer wrote:This wasn't via the police, but many years ago my wallet, containing over JPY 100,000, slipped out of my pocket while I was riding the Shinkansen and I didn't notice until I was almost home. I immediately returned to Tokyo station and went to the railway office. My wallet had been turned in, and not one yen was missing.
maraboutslim wrote:Just to be clear, I've been on both the returning and receiving end of such stories and I think it is the thing to do. I just thought it is somewhat different than "theft" and don't really expect anyone who finds my lost stuff to be obligated to return it the way I expect people to not take stuff out of my pockets or out of my house/car.
Mulboyne wrote:In Japan, it's a criminal offence not to hand in lost property you might find. As a carrot, there's a designated reward schedule if the item is claimed and it becomes yours if it goes unclaimed. More in this post. You might think arresting people who fail to turn in lost property is virtually impossible but the system is one reason why lost items do frequently turn up.
One example of a recent arrest arose when a bank customer left a cash withdrawal at a bank ATM. Another customer found it and walked off with it. CCTV revealed their identity and police made an arrest.
Yokohammer wrote:Cash left on an ATM machine ... I'm going to hand it in to the bank.
damn name wrote:Well, the bank could find the identity of the person who left it.
damn name wrote:You can't be trusted in business - you're a thief. Your mother must be proud.
Coligny wrote:frack that... I'm not even going to touch it with a 10 ft pole...
If it's not to help someone I know or deal with a situation i have responsabilities for, standard operating procedure here is 'not to get involved'. And I'm ready to bet no cop would evar blame me for this.
chokonen888 wrote:Unfortunately, Coligny may be right here...as FG, sometimes helping out becomes loads of wasted time and trouble and you may regret getting involved. How many horrow stories have we read about turning in a found cell phone to a Koban.
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