Does stealing pay and benefits=dishonesty?

[Bobby Sticker]

Can any fucked gaijin shed a little light on this point for me?

Over the years in Japan I have noticed that Nihonjin are eager to point out on any occasion that allows for it, how honest their fellow Japanese are. At the same time I have had the good fortune to know a great many fucked gaijin living in Japan, most of whom worked in the ESL business for lack of any better opportunity.

As often as I have heard Nihonjin boasting about Nihonjin honesty, I simultaneously have heard how often the labor laws are violated, benefits are denied, unemployment insurance denied and final paychecks are withheld from my fellow fucked gaijin all in violation of labor laws on the books. Now having been the victim of this myself on many more occasions than I would care to have experienced, I find myself wondering if violating labor laws doesn't count against the perception that Nihonjin are honest?

Is it just fucked me or could there be something like wishful thinking going on or even heaven forfade, denial, in the minds of Nihonjin boasting about Nihonjin honesty OR am I in need of a serious setting straight. If so have at it please.

[matsuki]

Unfortunately (or fortunately if you're an employer) most Japanese just take it in the ass and get violated because even though it's technically against the law, they feel they will get the same treatment at every company and fear any trouble speaking up would bring them. Call them out and enjoy

[Mike Oxlong]

Anarchy Japan blog recently had two good posts on the topic of honesty in Japan and cultural generalizations.

[Catoneinutica]

Anarchy Japan blog recently had two good posts on the topic of honesty in Japan and cultural generalizations.

Read them. Meh. Really, it all boils down to:

Nihonjin: "We Japanese..."

FG: "You Japanese..."

Nihonjin: "Hey, don't say 'you Japanese'! We're all individuals, and you can't lump us together like that."

Takeaway: Japanese like to generalize about themselves when it suits them. But only then.

[matsuki]

Read them. Meh. Really, it all boils down to:

Nihonjin: "We Japanese..."

FG: "You Japanese..."

Nihonjin: "Hey, don't say 'you Japanese'! We're all individuals, and you can't lump us together like that."

Takeaway: Japanese like to generalize about themselves when it suits them. But only then.

THIS

[Coligny]

Takeaway: Japanese like to generalize about themselves when it suits them. But only then.

Also known as:

Toddler in need of a severe bitchslapping... and learn to shut up when adoOolts are talking...

[JLR]

it's denial. I went to a bar with my Japanese friend and they sign said Japanese only. He denied it was racism and said it was due to language issues. I pointed to the sign and he denied what it said many times (No no it MEANS Japanese language only)

Fast forward 3 months to a new bar we frequent and I was not allowed in (only allowed in with my friend) and my Japanese friend said oh it's not a race thing and when I said yes it was he said well the owner can do what he wants and it's a language issue.

[Samurai_Jerk]

it's denial. I went to a bar with my Japanese friend and they sign said Japanese only. He denied it was racism and said it was due to language issues. I pointed to the sign and he denied what it said many times (No no it MEANS Japanese language only)

Fast forward 3 months to a new bar we frequent and I was not allowed in (only allowed in with my friend) and my Japanese friend said oh it's not a race thing and when I said yes it was he said well the owner can do what he wants and it's a language issue.

And by "bar" you mean hostess club or massage parlor, right?

[Yokohammer]

it's denial. I went to a bar with my Japanese friend and they sign said Japanese only. He denied it was racism and said it was due to language issues. I pointed to the sign and he denied what it said many times (No no it MEANS Japanese language only)

Fast forward 3 months to a new bar we frequent and I was not allowed in (only allowed in with my friend) and my Japanese friend said oh it's not a race thing and when I said yes it was he said well the owner can do what he wants and it's a language issue.

You need new friends. Preferably ones who drink in more cosmopolitan establishments.

[Mike Oxlong]

JUST BE CAUSE
For the sake of Japan's future, foreigners deserve a fair shake

These past few columns have addressed fundamentally bad habits in Japanese society that impede positive social change. Last month I talked about public trust being eroded by social conventions that permit (even applaud) the systematic practice of lying in public.

This month, let's discuss the lack of cultural value invested in "fairness." ...

[Russell]

JUST BE CAUSE
For the sake of Japan's future, foreigners deserve a fair shake

Just when I thought it was safe to read FG...

[Mike Oxlong]

Just when I thought it was safe to read FG...

Just when I thought it was safe to screw around in a troll thread...

[legion]

For the sake of Japan's future, foreigners deserve a fair shake

This is a common flawed ethical stance.

A belief in the right to equality has nothing to do with Japan's future, right is right, wrong is wrong, perceived benefits or penalties are not relevant. The true test of ones commitment to an ethical position is whether you maintain it even when it acts against your interests.

[Coligny]

This is a common flawed ethical stance.

A belief in the right to equality has nothing to do with Japan's future, right is right, wrong is wrong, perceived benefits or penalties are not relevant. The true test of ones commitment to an ethical position is whether you maintain it even when it acts against your interests.

that's an interesting world you'ze living in... you come back to earth from time to time or you always stay up there...

[Bobby Sticker]

it's denial. I went to a bar with my Japanese friend and they sign said Japanese only. He denied it was racism and said it was due to language issues. I pointed to the sign and he denied what it said many times (No no it MEANS Japanese language only)

Fast forward 3 months to a new bar we frequent and I was not allowed in (only allowed in with my friend) and my Japanese friend said oh it's not a race thing and when I said yes it was he said well the owner can do what he wants and it's a language issue.

You could do better in your choice of friends.

[Bobby Sticker]

Just when I thought it was safe to screw around in a troll thread...

Please...go screw.

[IparryU]

reading that just made me want to smoke... not like an after sex smoke... but like a "I shouldn't have looked/read/listened to that" smoke.

[wagyl]

You need new friends. Preferably ones who drink in more cosmopolitan establishments.

You could do better in your choice of friends.

OK, 'fess us. You've got a duplicate account, haven't you Hammer..




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[matsuki]

Also known as:

Toddler in need of a severe bitchslapping... and learn to shut up when adoOolts are talking...

...and THIS

Wasn't it MacArthur that compared Japanese to children? Sad to say but they still have alot of growing up to do...

[Coligny]

...and THIS

Wasn't it MacArthur that compared Japanese to children? Sad to say but they still have alot of growing up to do...

called them "a nation of 12 year olds"

[Samurai_Jerk]

called them "a nation of 12 year olds"

Right, and went on to say that's why we couldn't blame them on the same level as the Germans who were adults and should have known better.

[Yokohammer]

OK, 'fess us. You've got a duplicate account, haven't you Hammer..

I think it's more likely an indication that Bouncing Bobby doesn't read things through before he jumps in with an opinion.

Besides, I have far better taste in avatars.

[matsuki]

Right, and went on to say that's why we couldn't blame them on the same level as the Germans who were adults and should have known better.

Mmm, wouldn't agree with that part, even children need to be accountable for their actions....but I'd venture to say they're still only 13 or 14 now...I guess some progress is better than none.

[JLR]

And by "bar" you mean hostess club or massage parlor, right?

1st one was a darts bar. 2nd one was a legit run down bar (the beer was 160 yen!)

Don't care about the sign or not being allowed in. Just wanted my friend to at least acknowledge it. Even a simple "yes it sucks" would have sufficed.

You need new friends. Preferably ones who drink in more cosmopolitan establishments.

I agree. But I have very few (ok only two) male Japanese friends who are worth hanging out with.

called them "a nation of 12 year olds"

Truer words were never spoken...

[damn name]

I've never seen a source for MacArthur saying the words "a nation of 12-year olds." I've heard several versions supposedly said to a variety of people, who change with the wind. One version I heard is that he answered a question about relations with Japanese government people by his replacement in Japan with the idea that if he spoke to everyone as if they were 12 years old, he would get along fine.

That's not the same as saying it's a nation of 12 year olds.

Another time was in Washington DC when he was comparing the relative advancement of developed countries (at that time) and he said something to the effect that the modernization of the country was like a 12 year old compared to a 45 year old.

That too, was not the same as saying it's a nation of 12 year olds.

[Coligny]

[Greji]

Nice Coligny. Have you done something new with your hair?

[matsuki]

[IparryU]

I don't know if it's racism, pride, or or just plain ignorance (probably all of them) but they still think Korea will never surpass Japan.

mobile phones - check
medicine - check
global education - check
military - check

balls to be at face-off with NK every day while Japan hides behind the US military when China does their "drills" - priceless

[Coligny]

mobile phones - check
medicine - check
global education - check
military - check

balls to be at face-off with NK every day while Japan hides behind the US military when China does their "drills" - priceless

HOT BABES - triple check
cars - check
maritime transport - check (see Hyundai)
space program - check
tv/computers/home electronic and appliance - megazomb tripul check...