JapanProbe/Hoofin: American Parent Reunited With Abducted Daughter/Denounces BACHome

[damn name]

Yes, that's pretty much how it worked in the case of the my sister-in-law. The husband and and his family took the child and the wife and mother was not allowed to see the daughter even though the husband would have been considered the party at fault in the divorce.

The wife's lawyer said that with no evidence of violence or irresponsible parenting, the mother always gets custody, but it would take about two years. That's how long it took and the mother did get custody.

[Samurai_Jerk]

So we know that Japan is terrible at enforcing visitation rights and dealing with parental abductions. Does anyone know how good they are at going after deadbeat parents who won't pay child support?

[Guest]

[matsuki]

I was browsing the commentary on 2ch about this case and there are far too many pulling the red herring "DV" card on this guy without any evidence to back it up. They're also angry that she was facing 25 years. (and don't seem to understand that there is no way she'd ever serve that) Then there is the logic that goes something like "How can it be a serious crime?! It's her own daughter she abducted, not a stranger's child."

[maraboutslim]

that sounds like pretty good logic to me.

[gaijinpunch]

What kind of activities with kids can you have in Tokyo ? Not much park to throw a ball... beach for a swim or fishing...

Yoyogi Park? It's like... huge?

Does anyone know how good they are at going after deadbeat parents who won't pay child support?

The exact same from what I understand. I only know of one case, but it's bad enough that a friend puts up his sister-in-law and their two kids. Basically, the laws protect nobody... nobody is going to force you to pay your child support, and nobody is going to ensure that you get your visitation rights (even if you do).

Throwing the blame on parents by saying "you knew or should have known what you were getting yourself into when marrying and having children in Japan" is incredibly unfair to the children.

It's also pretty fucking stupid since I don't make it a habit to famliarize myself w/ the oddball laws of women I am courting. I started dating my wife when I was 23. I know people in their 30's (one with a law degree in the west, mind you) that aren't clear of how this fist fuck works here. The truth is, you don't really care until you have kids, and if you don't have kids now, you really can't understand. If you fall in love w/ someone that will later turn into a psycho, you're supposed to have a child under the presumption that "one day, she may just up and take my offspring and I have no legal recourse. As such, I shouldn't get attached?" If you think that's acceptable to do as a person or to instill as a policy or law as a nation, you need to have your fucking head examined.

Good post, Nakano.

that sounds like pretty good logic to me.

Yeah... why even bother making laws?

[IparryU]

So we know that Japan is terrible at enforcing visitation rights and dealing with parental abductions. Does anyone know how good they are at going after deadbeat parents who won't pay child support?

no action at all.

my sister in law tried to get child support money from her ex-husband that left out on their daughter when she was 9 months... after all the court bs and chasing him up, she (and her father) went to the police. basically said to go to court...

not to mention, that she had to keep the same last name as her daughter (the father's last name) to get all the gov. money and single mother housing. if not, she would have to change her and the daughter's name, refile many court documents, and pay for the process to do all of this with the ward office, gov. housing (like USA Section-8), the court, and the gov. funding division(s).

really fucked situation for the mom (or single parent) to get anything done. keep in mind that single mothers HAVE to be employed to get all this money, housing, etc. so she had to take off weeks of work in that year to get all of this shit done. single mothers have it hard enough trying to get a job that allows them a flex schedule with limited hours and several days off for court.

she ended up having to change jobs 3 times, move apartments, and still not get paid after paying out everyone to get shit done.

in the US, they void your driver's license until you pay the full amount + court fees... dont think that will ever happen here.

[Coligny]

Yoyogi Park? It's like... huge?

You mean the garden of the imperial palace ?

That count as a kouhen ?

I can bring mah rc trucks next time ?

[matsuki]

no action at all.

my sister in law tried to get child support money from her ex-husband that left out on their daughter when she was 9 months... after all the court bs and chasing him up, she (and her father) went to the police. basically said to go to court...

not to mention, that she had to keep the same last name as her daughter (the father's last name) to get all the gov. money and single mother housing. if not, she would have to change her and the daughter's name, refile many court documents, and pay for the process to do all of this with the ward office, gov. housing (like USA Section-8), the court, and the gov. funding division(s).

really fucked situation for the mom (or single parent) to get anything done. keep in mind that single mothers HAVE to be employed to get all this money, housing, etc. so she had to take off weeks of work in that year to get all of this shit done. single mothers have it hard enough trying to get a job that allows them a flex schedule with limited hours and several days off for court.

she ended up having to change jobs 3 times, move apartments, and still not get paid after paying out everyone to get shit done.

in the US, they void your driver's license until you pay the full amount + court fees... dont think that will ever happen here.

Non enforcement of visitation is one thing but I think a court order for child support can be used by an attorney to tap deadbeat daddy's salary just like it's done in the US. (Differs from state to state but in general, monetary settlements are usually up to you to enforce...the court settlement just provides you with the authority to do it) If that shit happened to my sister in law, (providing she's a good person/mama ) I would probably donate some time to help her out in making deadbeat papa pay up. I could lie and say it's to feel good helping out but I definitely would get more pleasure making the deadbeat's life hell.

[gaijinpunch]

Sure! I see what you mean, but while the suburbs may seem more ideal, if you can stomach the premium of Shibuya/Shinjuku area, you have 2 massive parks at your finger tips, and many small other ones. I can walk to Yoyogi or it's two neighboring kid parks (w/ jungle gyms and shit) and Shinjuku Gyoen is a hop, skip , and a jump. I jog in Yoyogi all the time... as I'm now looking for an apartment in preparation of becoming a statistic for this thread, I'm kicking, fighting, and screaming to stay in the neighborhood!

[matsuki]

Shinjuku Gyoen is a hop, skip , and a jump.

It also charges admission and closes at something like 4pm...pretty lame

[IparryU]

Sure! I see what you mean, but while the suburbs may seem more ideal, if you can stomach the premium of Shibuya/Shinjuku area, you have 2 massive parks at your finger tips, and many small other ones. I can walk to Yoyogi or it's two neighboring kid parks (w/ jungle gyms and shit) and Shinjuku Gyoen is a hop, skip , and a jump. I jog in Yoyogi all the time... as I'm now looking for an apartment in preparation of becoming a statistic for this thread, I'm kicking, fighting, and screaming to stay in the neighborhood!

everytime i go to a little local park, there is always a section for the parents to go sit and smoke... not to mention the old guy drinking cup o' sake and watching the little girls play...

sorta why we always go to arisugawa koen... no smoking near the brats and no obvious pedos

[Greji]

... no smoking near the brats and no obvious pedos

Spoil sport.....

[Samurai_Jerk]

no smoking near the brats

Do you really think that will harm your kid's health?

[IparryU]

Do you really think that will harm your kid's health?

do you really think it is ok to smoke near kids?

would smoking meth or crack be ok if they dont get a contact high?

[Samurai_Jerk]

do you really think it is ok to smoke near kids?

would smoking meth or crack be ok if they dont get a contact high?

Smoking doesn't make you go nuts like crack or meth. You drink in front of your kids, right?

[Coligny]

Do you really think that will harm your kid's health?

Nope, but like driving behind a dumptruck... no need to be lethal to highly unpleasant...

(since when only life or death situation are to be used as dipsticks ?)

[Samurai_Jerk]

Nope, but like driving behind a dumptruck... no need to be lethal to highly unpleasant...

(since when only life or death situation are to be used as dipsticks ?)

I'm getting tired of dipshits being little bitches about every little thing they find annoying. What I hate even more is using their kids as an excuse for trying to childproof the world. If you are that afraid of everything, don't ever go out with you kids. I don't smoke and I think it's disgusting but I'm not going to have a hissy fit every time I see someone doing it in public. A lot of people find noisy children annoying. Plus they can cause danger by suddenly running into the street and causing accidents. Maybe we should ban them from public places.

[matsuki]

I don't smoke and I think it's disgusting but I'm not going to have a hissy fit every time I see someone doing it in public.

I think his point is where they are doing it. I agree with you about darwin-style protection everywhere but when it comes to smoking, fuck em. It's more about the lack of manners many smokers display for those around them. Health risks aside, as Coligny pointed out, that shit stinks...and will make your clothes, hair, etc. stink. When there are alternatives to getting your tobacco fix other than crop dusting everyone else around you, it's pretty fucking rude to light up and expect everyone to be understanding while making their food, drink, etc. taste like shit or fucking up anyone with respiratory conditions/allergies day/night. Then there are those assholes who smoke in non-smoking areas. No hissy fit or lecture, I've bitch slapped more than a few in Shinjuku for showering me with smoke. (if you haven't guessed by now, I hate cigarette smoke)

[Samurai_Jerk]

I think his point is where they are doing it. I agree with you about darwin-style protection everywhere but when it comes to smoking, fuck em. It's more about the lack of manners many smokers display for those around them. Health risks aside, as Coligny pointed out, that shit stinks...and will make your clothes, hair, etc. stink. When there are alternatives to getting your tobacco fix other than crop dusting everyone else around you, it's pretty fucking rude to light up and expect everyone to be understanding while making their food, drink, etc. taste like shit or fucking up anyone with respiratory conditions/allergies day/night. Then there are those assholes who smoke in non-smoking areas. No hissy fit or lecture, I've bitch slapped more than a few in Shinjuku for showering me with smoke. (if you haven't guessed by now, I hate cigarette smoke)

IPU specifically mentioned people sitting in the smoking area.

[Coligny]

I'm getting tired of dipshits being little bitches about every little thing they find annoying. What I hate even more is using their kids as an excuse for trying to childproof the world. If you are that afraid of everything, don't ever go out with you kids. I don't smoke and I think it's disgusting but I'm not going to have a hissy fit every time I see someone doing it in public. A lot of people find noisy children annoying. Plus they can cause danger by suddenly running into the street and causing accidents. Maybe we should ban them from public places.

There are times and places for everything...

A parc fitted with sandboxes and playground for children is not one of them. People go to parcs usually to go a little bit away from the city nuisance, that include cars and exhausts... It's not to be doused in smoke... It's like going to a park to grill fishes... is it dangerous, no, is it the place to do so, no, is it avoidable, yes...

Noisy kids in parcs... is it dangerous, no, is it the place to do so, YES, is it avoidable, sort of but totally irrelevant...

Now for:

>>Plus they can cause danger by suddenly running into the street and causing accidents.<<

Check the road and traffic law (i would lend you mine but it stuck way too far up my ass) children are forbidden to play on roads open to traffic and it is advised to adults encountering them to direct them out of the street. So as you can see, this case is addressed by the law.

[Coligny]

everytime i go to a little local park, there is always a section for the parents to go sit and smoke... not to mention the old guy drinking cup o' sake and watching the little girls play...

sorta why we always go to arisugawa koen... no smoking near the brats and no obvious pedos

Now to clarify the conversation. Is it an official smoking section (never seen one on the local parcs) or a 'de facto' section ?

[damn name]

The smokers are probably whining about the 0.0002 nanoSv of radiation in the park.

[Coligny]

Putain de bordel de merde, tu peux pas aller te faire foutre espece de sale con. Toujours a ramener ta gueule a te la jouer grand savant alors que tu saurais pas reconnaitre une bite d'un choux fleur. A la jouer grand seigneur pour remercier d'une 'conversation adulte' alors que t'es la premiere baltringue a descendre sous le bac a sable des qu'on fait remarquer que tes connaissance de merdes seraient meme pas suffisantes pour remplir un prospectus. Serieusement, retourne dans la chatte de ta mere, elle a du garder les pieces qui te manques. Tu crois vraiment qu'on a besoin d'un connard dans ton genre ? pas plus qu'on aurait besoin d'un elephant qui a la chiasse dans une salle a manger. Je sais pas pourquoi les autres tolerent ta connerie insoluble mais serieusement, je sais pas quel village au canada a perdu son idiot, mais tu dois laisser un grand vide.

Aussi si t'etais un peu moin conne t'aurais au moin cite le niveau de fond realiste pour les radiations au lieu de sortir une fois de plus je ne sais quelle connerie de ton cul histoire d'impressionner les putes de bars. Cela dit, au moin maintenant tu fermes ta gueule sur les sujets nucleaires vus que t'as semble t'il pige que tout le monde avait clairement capte que tes connaissance etaient tout juste suffisantes pour larguer 3-4 mots clefs donnant l'impression que t'avais deja entendus parler du sujet mais sans rien y comprendre...

It's soooo good to sometimes be able to express oneself using the proper language for the job...

[Greji]

It's soooo good to sometimes be able to express oneself using the proper language for the job...

Well put, except for two points. Your comment about about my mama's working gear was out of place. It kept us eating through the dark ages. Then the point about proper language? You meant Nihongo, right?

[Coligny]

Well put, except for two points. Your comment about about my mama's working gear was out of place. It kept us eating through the dark ages. Then the point about proper language? You meant Nihongo, right?

Aren't you too old to even have a mother ? weren't ya born straight from a dinosaur egg ?

[Samurai_Jerk]

Now to clarify the conversation. Is it an official smoking section (never seen one on the local parcs) or a 'de facto' section ?

A lot of parks in Tokyo have a smoking area.

[Mike Oxlong]

Not to mention a lot of hiking courses have ashtray strands at various points along the route.

[Coligny]

Not to mention a lot of hiking courses have ashtray strands at various points along the route.

We don't have such luxuries in mah countryside...

[Greji]

Aren't you too old to even have a mother ? weren't ya born straight from a dinosaur egg ?

Bird shit on a rock and the sun hatched it......