Disaster Preparedness FG Style

[nikoneko]

[Coligny]

Aboot nationnal geographic documentary:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/rockbeyondbelief/2012/02/08/how-nat-geo-misrepresented-the-foxhole-atheist-doomsday-prepper-megan-hurwitt/

[twww]

Aboot nationnal geographic documentary:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/rockbeyondbelief/2012/02/08/how-nat-geo-misrepresented-the-foxhole-atheist-doomsday-prepper-megan-hurwitt/

Farking fruit loop!

[Samurai_Jerk]

I've posted several times about low carb eating. Works great for me, and several friends, but generally gets a poor reception in conversation - whether here or in person.

One reason that low card diets get a bum rap is they're often misrepresented as "eat all the bacon, bunless hot dogs and cheese you want and still lose weight". The Atkins induction phase is unnecessarily extreme but after that what Atkins is essentially advocating is avoiding processed foods and sugar. Nothing controversial about that.

However, the low carb camp is often guilty of ignoring that one of the main reasons those diets work is that they are low calorie diets. Protein fills you up more quickly and doesn't spike your blood sugar therefore keeping your appetite in check. If you got 90% of your calories from carbs but only ate 1700 calories a day, you'd lose weight. On the other hand if you did a strict low-carb diet but consumed 5000+ calories a day, you'd gain weight.

[Yokohammer]

Low carb seems to work OK for me too.

I lost about 13kg last year doing essentially that, at a nice easy 1kg per month average pace with no pain or discomfort at all.

Basically, I allow myself carbs at breakfast only, then almost none at lunch and dinner. I don't get all extremist about it though, and if we go out for lunch or dinner somewhere with friends of family, for example, I just enjoy whatever's on the menu. Then at home it's back to my self-imposed routine.

So far so good, and easy enough to make a habit.

[Mike Oxlong]

One reason that low card diets get a bum rap is they're often misrepresented as "eat all the bacon, bunless hot dogs and cheese you want and still lose weight". The Atkins induction phase is unnecessarily extreme but after that what Atkins is essentially advocating is avoiding processed foods and sugar. Nothing controversial about that.

However, the low carb camp is often guilty of ignoring that one of the main reasons those diets work is that they are low calorie diets. Protein fills you up more quickly and doesn't spike your blood sugar therefore keeping your appetite in check. If you got 90% of your calories from carbs but only ate 1700 calories a day, you'd lose weight. On the other hand if you did a strict low-carb diet but consumed 5000+ calories a day, you'd gain weight.

Actually, avoiding processed foods and sugar sounds more like the WAPF. Low carb diets are most definitely not low calorie. The carbs are replaced with the much maligned, but actually very healthy, animal fats and protein. Fat has 9 calories per gram as opposed to the 4 found in protein and carbs. There are some low carbers out there that are still afraid of natural fats (trans fats aka frankenfats - highly processed vegetable oils - are to be avoided like the plague), but that's just a holdover from all fat phobia of the '80s. It's is not a simple calories in/calories out calculation. It's the body's response to what you eat that affects change. In a nutshell, carbs spike insulin, which signals the body to store fat. Keeping carbs low eliminates insulin spikes, chronically high insulin, and allows the body to burn fat as fuel rather than being in constant storage mode.

Sure, you'd lose weight on 1700 calories a day no matter what you ate, but you lose it faster and without the gnawing hunger on a low carb plan due to the effect on insulin.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Actually, avoiding processed foods and sugar sounds more like the WAPF. Low carb diets are most definitely not low calorie. The carbs are replaced with the much maligned, but actually very healthy, animal fats and protein. Fat has 9 calories per gram as opposed to the 4 found in protein and carbs. There are some low carbers out there that are still afraid of natural fats (trans fats aka frankenfats - highly processed vegetable oils - are to be avoided like the plague), but that's just a holdover from all fat phobia of the '80s. It's is not a simple calories in/calories out calculation. It's the body's response to what you eat that affects change. In a nutshell, carbs spike insulin, which signals the body to store fat. Keeping carbs low eliminates insulin spikes, chronically high insulin, and allows the body to burn fat as fuel rather than being in constant storage mode.

Have you read the Atkins book? He basically says avoid processed foods and once you get to the stage where you can add carbs back into your diet you should stick with things like whole grains and brown rice. Also, the example daily menus generally clock in at about 1800 calories which is not super low but is definitely a cut in intake for your average fat fuck.

[Mike Oxlong]

Atkins is not unique in recommending to avoid processed food, which is a good thing - a lot of carbs and frankenfats in those. Where I part ways with him is adding back carbs once you hit your target. While whole grains are better than processed ones, they are still broken down into simple sugars when digested. You get the insulin spikes, and the weight starts to come back. While groups of people who have been eating more traditionally unprocessed diets their whole lives can often tolerate modest amounts of whole grains without attendant weight gain, those of us who borked their metabolisms on the Standard Western Diet generally cannot tolerate even whole grain well without fat accumulation. While a small amount of unproccessed carbs (vegetables) are fine, most find that adding back grains only takes them back to where they started. As 'Hammer mentioned, once you get into a pattern of low carb eating, it's easy and habitual - and extremism isn't necessary.

[nikoneko]

This is really interesting. What I have always heard is carbs need to be about 50% of your diet on the basic nutrition/sustenance end. How does that fit in? I am guessing you still eat some good carbs such as veggies and fruit? And of course not the massively over doing it bit like many people do these days..


The other thing I think interesting is I also look for carbs as high as possible when I exercise as it makes a big difference in tiredness, I'll scarf as much 100 g in a few hours on some days. Very curious as so many athletes are on paleo diets, I'll have to look up what they eat/drink during exercise.

And for me I am so far the opposite it's hard to comment on diets at all. I've got myself to the point where I move about so much normally and burn 4-6000+ calories a week through exercise, usually just walking/hiking (which is highly underrated imo), that my metabolism is so high I can't eat much at one time and just eat small amounts all day. The downside being I am almost always hungry.

[Mike Oxlong]

This is really interesting. What I have always heard is carbs need to be about 50% of your diet on the basic nutrition/sustenance end. How does that fit in? I am guessing you still eat some good carbs such as veggies and fruit? And of course not the massively over doing it bit like many people do these days..


The other thing I think interesting is I also look for carbs as high as possible when I exercise as it makes a big difference in tiredness, I'll scarf as much 100 g in a few hours on some days. Very curious as so many athletes are on paleo diets, I'll have to look up what they eat/drink during exercise.

And for me I am so far the opposite it's hard to comment on diets at all. I've got myself to the point where I move about so much normally and burn 4-6000+ calories a week through exercise, usually just walking/hiking (which is highly underrated imo), that my metabolism is so high I can't eat much at one time and just eat small amounts all day. The downside being I am almost always hungry.

People who eat paleo (or low carb, neanderfit, ancestral, and all the variations that quibble over dairy, fruit, nuts, types of veg - foods that I find you need to experiment with and find your personal tolerance to) are keto adapted, that is their bodies are adapted to easily use fat for fuel. A lot of paleo people I know prefer to work out in a fasted state, that is before their first meal of the day (which, coincidentally, is how the sumotori do it...they are most definitely not low carb eaters!)

Me, I eat carbs, as I like them and the types I tolerate well without weight gain or gut issues are easy to come by here (white rice and potatoes, of course moderately small amounts). I eat a small amount of fresh vegetables with a lot of butter (never margarine which is a highly processed frankenfat), and large amounts of meat, fish, and poultry. Always bacon and eggs for breakfast, and occasionally some sausage links or other meat. I like a beer or two now and then, and whisky too. Beer of course has a small amount of gluten and some carbs, which is not paleo. Whisky and other spirits have no carbs unless you mix them with juice or pop, and work better for those who like to tipple. Wine has fewer carbs than beer, but can stall weight loss for some if they have much more than a glass or two. I find this way of eating allows me to maintain a stable lean weight, but other friends who started out much heavier than me have had to give up beer completely, and cut out the white rice and most of the potatoes to be able to reach a stable lean body mass.

[Greji]

Aboot nationnal geographic documentary:

Was that the source for your book on survival?

[Blah Pete]

I bought two of these Led flashlights that need no battery. Twist the end cap back and forth up to 20 times for about 5 minutes of light. Not the brightest, but good enough for one person walking or working. Length is 140mm, 3 LEDs.



Use one in my car (no more forgetting to check the batteries) and one in my tool box. They are tough as I have dropped it repeatedly on cement and it still works.

[Ketou]

Atkins is not unique in recommending to avoid processed food, which is a good thing - a lot of carbs and frankenfats in those. Where I part ways with him is adding back carbs once you hit your target. While whole grains are better than processed ones, they are still broken down into simple sugars when digested. You get the insulin spikes, and the weight starts to come back. While groups of people who have been eating more traditionally unprocessed diets their whole lives can often tolerate modest amounts of whole grains without attendant weight gain, those of us who borked their metabolisms on the Standard Western Diet generally cannot tolerate even whole grain well without fat accumulation. While a small amount of unproccessed carbs (vegetables) are fine, most find that adding back grains only takes them back to where they started. As 'Hammer mentioned, once you get into a pattern of low carb eating, it's easy and habitual - and extremism isn't necessary.

Although I'm a bit late to the party on the conversation....

True about grains causing weight gain, even the so-called 'healthy' whole grains. The fat created by these buggers is viseral too. Diabetes and heart disease anyone....
Some other problems with wheat are gluten/gliadin and acidity. Gluten and it's component gliadin are great for destroying the villi in your intestine, causing nutrient deficiency, as well as triggering zonulin release. This regulates intestinal permeability letting the proteins gain entry into your bloodstream. From there you get all sorts of immune response problems and diseases....cholera uses the same tactic.
Acidity; The body likes to sit at around 7.4 ph and +/- 0.5 ph is fatal. Hence any acidic foods will cause the body to pull out the alkalines to compensate. Calcium is used to bring back alkaline balance and if you don't have spare floating around in your blood it comes out of your bones. Any wonder Osteoporosis and hip fractures are high....
(ph of foods is based on ph after being burnt...eg..lemons are considered alkaline)

I highly recommend, nay I implore you all to read Wheat Belly by William Davis MD. Very well referenced and a complete eye opener.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Here's an interesting discussion that includes an explanation of the science behind why added sugars are bad and fat isn't.

[Yokohammer]

Here's an interesting discussion that includes an explanation of the science behind why added sugars are bad and fat isn't.

Excellent discussion! (Thanks for that).
Michael Pollan, who is mentioned in the interview, has a couple of interesting books on the subject for those who are interested in pursuing the matter further. "In Defense of Food" is a good one.

[TennoChinko]

[Mike Oxlong]

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[nikoneko]

[matsuki]

[Coligny]

I'm starting to think building one of these on the roof is my best survival strategy...

I think I just had an orgasm...

[waruta]

Thinking about purchasing some emergency rations since I got my 72 hr Response Bag, saw the previously mentioned posts about Datrex and Mainstay, and found them both online:

http://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/suplinx/322-02045.html
http://item.rakuten.co.jp/koyo-online/102-643-00/

Anyone ever try one of these? Any good? Or would I be better off purchasing MRE's...

[nikoneko]

I've tried them all actually. All are palatable and taste like shortbread cookies. The Mayday had an apple cinnamon taste and was a bit hard. The Datrex a coconut flavor and was real soft and crumbly. I don't remember anything remarkable about the Mainstays.

The main advantage to these is the size/weight compared to MREs. MREs would definitely be easier on your sanity and healthier over 3 days but one MRE is the size of 3 days worth of these bars.

You can also look into freeze dried foods such as Mountain House but I don't know a lot about those.

[waruta]

Thanks! I heard that the Datrex cookies are not too bad (especially if you like Coconut) but I might supplement with freeze dried foodstuffs or even stew pack etc... nothing too fancy, but something that doesn't require utensils or anything more than a pair of chopsticks.

Where did you manage to find the Maydays?

[nikoneko]

I had them reshipped from America by my mom. I got them at campingsurvival.com but they will not ship any food at all outside of America.

We got a bunch of our BOB stuff there btw it is WAY cheaper than here, so if you have someone to reship I'd recommend it.

[tidbits]

Has anyone tried the Japanese space food? Looks like there are many varieties nowadays and it seems like gaijin astronauts love them too.

[matsuki]

Has anyone tried the Japanese space food? Looks like there are many varieties nowadays and it seems like gaijin astronauts love them too.

Linky linky?

[Coligny]

Do these ration works for diabetic people ? (not meee) Or is there something special availabul ?

[tidbits]

Linky linky?

I can't find the TV programme I watched before, which was showing the foreign astrounaut saying themselves that they like the Japanese space food. I think it was "Saba-no-miso-ni".

Anyway here is Wakata-san introducing the Japanese space food. (First 3 minutes just him introducing the varieties after that he was having meals with his colleagues)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcTsqBcU8QQ&feature=relmfu

Here is Jaxa's space food home page (see left panel), http://jaxagoods.com/ in English (But I can't find that Saba-no-miso-ni' in the list here!)

I think you can also buy it online via Rakuten, or other individual shop's webpage. . OR just go to any of the science museum shop. I have seen it in Mirai-kan (Odaiba)/ The Science Museum (Takebashi), the National Museum in Ueno.. or even a small science museum in Chiba.

[nikoneko]

Do these ration works for diabetic people ? (not meee) Or is there something special availabul ?

I would think so they are basically very simple less sweet cookies with vitamins added.

On the space food, the only problem I see with it is the shelf life was only a year or so on some. Where Mountain House or whatever starts at like 7 years and goes up from there. I haven't researched it in a while but I remember seeing some things having like 30 year shelf lives.

[Coligny]

I can't find the TV programme I watched before, which was showing the foreign astrounaut saying themselves that they like the Japanese space food. I think it was "Saba-no-miso-ni".

Anyway here is Wakata-san introducing the Japanese space food. (First 3 minutes just him introducing the varieties after that he was having meals with his colleagues)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcTsqBcU8QQ&feature=relmfu

Here is Jaxa's space food home page (see left panel), http://jaxagoods.com/ in English (But I can't find that Saba-no-miso-ni' in the list here!)

I think you can also buy it online via Rakuten, or other individual shop's webpage. . OR just go to any of the science museum shop. I have seen it in Mirai-kan (Odaiba)/ The Science Museum (Takebashi), the National Museum in Ueno.. or even a small science museum in Chiba.

Tokyu Hands (Nagoya Stashiun) got them in limited quantity, but for quite some times already.