Barrier free-for-all

[Taro Toporific]

Hey, I use mini-escalators like that all the time here in the Land-of-Concrete(TM). Compared to roping up with carabiners and pitons to just haul myself up those five steps on crutches, that escalator is appreciated (although the raving morons who built the split grade should be executed for gross incompetence).

Kawasaki: home to the world's shortest escalator:

Rather than mini-escalators, it's these marvels of Japanese engineering that need to be "celebrated."

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[Coligny]

I dun't get the problem with the last 2... 1 show those sidestair wheelchair lifts, the other is aboot some loo dining etiquette !? Definately too hot to brain today...

sidenote. When i risk mahself out of the bunker I often try to think which way I should take if I was going out with one of mah RC trucks (to heavy and big to carry in bags, so it's eiter moving them by car or they have to move on their own). And there is more than an occasion where it would simply not be possible... My point being... if a RC truck can't go... someone in a wheelchair can't go either...

[Taro Toporific]

I dun't get the problem with the last 2... 1 show those sidestair wheelchair lifts,

The wheelchair lifts are NEVER even are turned on. When encountering one you have to locate the stationmaster and then wait 20-40 minutes for them to find the key and figure out how to turn in on. Phoning ahead helps, but 50% of the lifts are broken. Can you image how many station employees and how long it takes to carry 110kg gaijin up or down the stairs? They have to call the fire department.

The funniest major stations are Shin-Yokohama's Shinkansen platform (that required two fire and rescue squads and 1.5 hours) and Shibuya's Ginza Line (after waiting an hour, I crawled up the stairs on my belly like an alligator and a random 70+ year old lady pulled my empty wheelchair up for me).

the other is aboot some loo dining etiquette !?.

Just funning you.

[Coligny]

I dun't get the problem with the last 2... 1 show those sidestair wheelchair lifts,

The wheelchair lifts are NEVER even are turned on. When encountering one you have to locate the stationmaster and then wait 20-40 minutes for them to find the key and figure out how to turn in on. Phoning ahead helps, but 50% of the lifts are broken. Can you image how many station employees and how long it takes to carry 110kg gaijin up or down the stairs? They have to call the fire department.

The funniest major stations are Shin-Yokohama's Shinkansen platform (that required two fire and rescue squads and 1.5 hours) and Shibuya's Ginza Line (after waiting an hour, I crawled up the stairs on my belly like an alligator and a random 70+ year old lady pulled my empty wheelchair up for me).

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Wait, they don't do systematic test runs of all those equipements at the opening time ?

Those guys are awesome... with all the choregraphy they do for all train departure nobody thought aboot actually doing something even remotely useful ?

In Nagoya I think the killer would be Sakae exchange... even when you can walk it's a nightmare, labyrinth, stair going 4 steps down under an overhead passage leaving less than 2m to the ceiling, then 4 stairs back up before more stairs... elevators... sometimes, between some levels... but ifyou want to go precisely somewhere you might have to walk up and down few plateform to reach them then your goal... In fact it's like the castle levels of supermario... in even moar boring...

[Coligny]

On a sidenote explaining my surprise for the lack of test runs. Everymorning I drive in front of the firestation, and on the way back, every single day they do test runs of all the equipements and all their trucks on their front lawn... Really difficult to look at the road with these guys playing with their toys on the side...

[Taro Toporific]

I dun't get the problem with the last 2... 1 show those sidestair wheelchair lifts,

The wheelchair lifts are NEVER even are turned on. When encountering one you have to locate the stationmaster and then wait 20-40 minutes for them to find the key and figure out how to turn in on. Phoning ahead helps, but 50% of the lifts are broken

Wait, they don't do systematic test runs of all those equipements at the opening time ?
...

The handicap equipment was never intended to be used---All they wanted to do was to fulfill a target/quota of accessibility.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

The handicap equipment was never intended to be used---All they wanted to do was to fulfill a target/quota of accessibility.

You know better than anybody else how true this is...

[Coligny]

The handicap equipment was never intended to be used---All they wanted to do was to fulfill a target/quota of accessibility.

But are they counted as 'robots' too for inflating their stats ?

[matsuki]

I dun't get the problem with the last 2... 1 show those sidestair wheelchair lifts,

The wheelchair lifts are NEVER even are turned on. When encountering one you have to locate the stationmaster and then wait 20-40 minutes for them to find the key and figure out how to turn in on. Phoning ahead helps, but 50% of the lifts are broken

Wait, they don't do systematic test runs of all those equipements at the opening time ?
...

The handicap equipment was never intended to be used---All they wanted to do was to fulfill a target/quota of accessibility.

The funniest one to me is the elevator at Takadanobaba that elevates you about a foot and exits on the opposite side...when all that is really needed is a ramp. I tried to find a video but was turning off at all the elevator otaku videos documenting elevators, their brand, and location...

[GomiGirl]

The funniest one to me is the elevator at Takadanobaba that elevates you about a foot and exits on the opposite side...when all that is really needed is a ramp. I tried to find a video but was turning off at all the elevator otaku videos documenting elevators, their brand, and location...

Yoyogi JR has one of those too. It is so stooopid. There are 4 or 5 stairs and there is a mini escalator (up only) and an elevator that also goes down into the Oedo line - just one floor up from Hades.

They should have just put a ramp there and saved the cash for the stoopid one way mini escalator. Plenty of space there for a ramp. The elevator takes FOREVER for these 5 steps as every OL is waiting to use it to get down to the Oedo line to avoid the stairs.

When you have a stroller, you totally get to know the accessible routes through the stations.

BTW there used to be an Accessible Tokyo English website but it seems to have disappeared.

[matsuki]

The funniest one to me is the elevator at Takadanobaba that elevates you about a foot and exits on the opposite side...when all that is really needed is a ramp. I tried to find a video but was turning off at all the elevator otaku videos documenting elevators, their brand, and location...

Yoyogi JR has one of those too. It is so stooopid. There are 4 or 5 stairs and there is a mini escalator (up only) and an elevator that also goes down into the Oedo line - just one floor up from Hades.

They should have just put a ramp there and saved the cash for the stoopid one way mini escalator. Plenty of space there for a ramp. The elevator takes FOREVER for these 5 steps as every OL is waiting to use it to get down to the Oedo line to avoid the stairs.

LOL, seems like they're all on JR I never say anything to people using the elevators cause there are conditions that aren't obvious but the amount of handicap-free lookin' people here that get in my way when I have massive luggage or whatever is insane.

When you have a stroller, you totally get to know the accessible routes through the stations.

That's how I even noticed it, been using the station for years but the one time I go there with a stroller and WTF??? It's bad enough that I'd avoid taking a stroller when going out. May be killer on your back but I'd gather it's much more convenient to go out like this...

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

BTW there used to be an Accessible Tokyo English website but it seems to have disappeared.

That makes it highly accessible...

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Isn't that a papoose? (Non=PC?)

[IparryU]

The funniest major stations are Shin-Yokohama's Shinkansen platform (that required two fire and rescue squads and 1.5 hours) and Shibuya's Ginza Line (after waiting an hour, I crawled up the stairs on my belly like an alligator and a random 70+ year old lady pulled my empty wheelchair up for me).

dude... LMAO after reading this bit... but then I realized it was true and feel sorta bad about it.

really sucks to hear that Japan has all this shit... but it doesn't work or they dont know how to use it.

[yanpa]

The funniest one to me is the elevator at Takadanobaba that elevates you about a foot and exits on the opposite side...when all that is really needed is a ramp. I tried to find a video but was turning off at all the elevator otaku videos documenting elevators, their brand, and location...

I know the one you mean, while waiting for someone once I came to the conclusion there wasn't enough space for a ramp which would conform to whatever steepness-of-ramp regulations there might be. Might be wrong though, TIJ and all that.

[Wage Slave]

I think you are right. I recently looked at installing a ramp and the gradient has to be very very gentle. So much so that fitting a ramp was out of the question.

[Coligny]

Like the russians, you wrap yer babies like sausages...

[matsuki]

Isn't that a papoose? (Non=PC?)

Cradle board...the real ones back in the day were lined with leaves (waterproofing) and stuffed with fluffed juniper bark (diaper with natural oils that prevent diaper rash)

The funniest one to me is the elevator at Takadanobaba that elevates you about a foot and exits on the opposite side...when all that is really needed is a ramp. I tried to find a video but was turning off at all the elevator otaku videos documenting elevators, their brand, and location...

I know the one you mean, while waiting for someone once I came to the conclusion there wasn't enough space for a ramp which would conform to whatever steepness-of-ramp regulations there might be. Might be wrong though, TIJ and all that.

I THINK there is plenty of room in front and behind it to make a ramp that would meet steepness standards. Even if there weren't, there is on the the other side where the stairs are. (still cheaper and better than the retarded elevator)

[yanpa]

The funniest one to me is the elevator at Takadanobaba that elevates you about a foot and exits on the opposite side...when all that is really needed is a ramp. I tried to find a video but was turning off at all the elevator otaku videos documenting elevators, their brand, and location...

I know the one you mean, while waiting for someone once I came to the conclusion there wasn't enough space for a ramp which would conform to whatever steepness-of-ramp regulations there might be. Might be wrong though, TIJ and all that.

I THINK there is plenty of room in front and behind it to make a ramp that would meet steepness standards. Even if there weren't, there is on the the other side where the stairs are. (still cheaper and better than the retarded elevator)

I'd love to say "haha retarded JR architects doh" but I live in hope that there's a sliver of a chance there's a valid reason why they didn't put a ramp in. I'll take a measure and a copy of the Disabled Ramp Gradient Regulations next time I pass through

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Like the russians, you wrap yer babies like sausages...

Actually, the kid looks perfect for shoving up the pneumatic tubes that offices used to have for in-house messages to be sent before computers...

[GomiGirl]

Isn't that a papoose? (Non=PC?)

Cradle board...the real ones back in the day were lined with leaves (waterproofing) and stuffed with fluffed juniper bark (diaper with natural oils that prevent diaper rash)

I remember seeing a photo of a kid in one of these strapped to the side of a horse that the Mum was riding. I thought it was awesome.

I used to swaddle my kid when he was little. He seemed to find it comforting.

I have tried to google the image many times but I can't find it.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Isn't that a papoose? (Non=PC?)

Cradle board...the real ones back in the day were lined with leaves (waterproofing) and stuffed with fluffed juniper bark (diaper with natural oils that prevent diaper rash)

Cool...also kinda looks like the place Trekkies would stand when Scotty had to beam them up...or the lift/stairs on the Jupiter 2 in Lost in Space

Looks perfect for throwing, too...

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Isn't that a papoose? (Non=PC?)

Cradle board...the real ones back in the day were lined with leaves (waterproofing) and stuffed with fluffed juniper bark (diaper with natural oils that prevent diaper rash)

I remember seeing a photo of a kid in one of these strapped to the side of a horse that the Mum was riding. I thought it was awesome.

I used to swaddle my kid when he was little. He seemed to find it comforting.

I have tried to google the image many times but I can't find it.

Not this one is it?

[GomiGirl]

Similar but not quite. There were a few other people in the photo.

But this is good enough. I think it is sensational.

That kid must be 6 or 8months old I reckon.

[matsuki]

I'd love to say "haha retarded JR architects doh" but I live in hope that there's a sliver of a chance there's a valid reason why they didn't put a ramp in. I'll take a measure and a copy of the Disabled Ramp Gradient Regulations next time I pass through

Haha, more than likely someone at JR got a kickback from the elevator manufacture I'll take a pic next time I'm at baba.

Looks perfect for throwing, too...

That loop above the head ain't for looks, besides proving a frame for shading the baby from the scorching sun, it doubles as sort of a roll cage in case the baby is dropped, thrown from a horse, etc.

[GomiGirl]

Looks perfect for throwing, too...

That loop above the head ain't for looks, besides proving a frame for shading the baby from the scorching sun, it doubles as sort of a roll cage in case the baby is dropped, thrown from a horse, etc.

The design is simply brilliant.

[matsuki]

Looks perfect for throwing, too...

That loop above the head ain't for looks, besides proving a frame for shading the baby from the scorching sun, it doubles as sort of a roll cage in case the baby is dropped, thrown from a horse, etc.

The design is simply brilliant.

Yeah, not bad for ancient savage engineering and design

Juniper bark oil smells amazing as well, even Coligny's homeland thinks so

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Juniper bark oil smells amazing as well, even Coligny's homeland thinks so

I don't mind as long as no-one eats my juniper berries...

[yanpa]

I'd love to say "haha retarded JR architects doh" but I live in hope that there's a sliver of a chance there's a valid reason why they didn't put a ramp in. I'll take a measure and a copy of the Disabled Ramp Gradient Regulations next time I pass through

Haha, more than likely someone at JR got a kickback from the elevator manufacture I'll take a pic next time I'm at baba.

Went past today and to my untrained layperson's eye there is no fucking way you can squeeze in a ramp there (OK, you could physically do it but it'd have something like a 15 ~ 20% gradient). Any other way of squeezing a ramp in would involve remodelling the entire area.

[Samurai_Jerk]

While we're on the subject of train station elevators, can anyone tell me why they move so fucking slowly compared to elevators in office and apartment buildings?