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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Wage Slave » Sat May 06, 2017 11:51 pm

I suppose it's a bit like the law in the UK or I imagine Australia. If you are a tradesman and there are screwdrivers in your toolbag then clearly that's fine, you have a good reason for carrying them. If you are found at 4 o'clock in the morning returning home with a couple of large flat head screwdrivers in your car and you can't give a reasonable explanation why you are out at that time or why you are carrying screwdrivers then that's very different. If you are a chef going to work with a large kitchen knife in your bag then that's fine. If you are on the way home after buying a large kitchen knife which is found in your bag that's fine. If you are found with a large kitchen knife at, say, a bar on Friday night and can't give a reasonable explanation then that's not fine.

Normal reasonable man as found on the Clapham omnibus and so on.
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Yokohammer » Sun May 07, 2017 12:00 am

The guy may very well have been up to no good, but it's these explanations they give that drive me nuts. It was the same with the flashlight not long ago. They word it to make flashlights, or whatever it is, seem intrinsically evil. Wouldn't it make more sense to just say they arrested someone on suspicion of breaking and entering and are currently investigating?


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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Coligny » Sun May 07, 2017 3:35 am

Feeding hammer quote in the jumbotranslatron JT36 Topbit 64x...

The allegation arrested possessed two minus drivers forbidden to carry in the passenger car which had stopped at the apartment parking lot in the city after 4:30 am on the 3rd, despite having no just reason I was doubtful.


There an iceberg visibility issue...

Parking in an appaaaaayoooo (private) parking without right or purpose. In the early morning. With 2 flatheads (no mention of other tools or toolbox... That start to sound like thebegining of troubles...

If this guy had a screwdriver within reach

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It would look much worse than if it was this guy:

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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Yokohammer » Sun May 07, 2017 7:16 am

Coligny,

Yes, I get that. I even said that the guy was probably up to no good. What bothers me is the way it is presented by the police.

His crime was trespassing with probable intent to break and enter, not carrying screwdrivers. And yet, no doubt due to some sort of twisted legal protocol (e.g. "probable" is not legal grounds for anything ... yet, although Abe is working on that with the proposed conspiracy law), the police statement says that his crime was carrying screwdrivers. Or a flashlight. Or a saw in the trunk of a car. Or a piece of wire .... whatever. The police are stating that it is a crime to carry a screwdriver or a flashlight (circumstances are a subtext, and are their call). What effect does this have on the public? And more importantly, this is a power that has been abused again and again to drag innocent people in for questioning, in many cases probably just for the exercise of it.

Sort of an aside, but you know those pointy hammers that you're supposed to have in your car to break the glass in case you get trapped in an accident? Think about it. I'll bet they can be used to break skulls too. If you're caught sneaking around someone's property with one of those in your pocket you're probably fucked, and with good reason, but I can think of a dozen scenarios where even having one in your car could be trouble too. The police routinely twist the truth because, basically, they want to arrest people to fill a quota or have their boss tell them they're a good boy or get a promotion or look cool in front of their peers ... none of the above being part of their actual job.
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby matsuki » Sun May 07, 2017 11:24 am

Not to mention that even if all the shit they fling at the fall doesn't stick, they can still "detain" a suspect for 3 weeks without charges. Meaning that they can fuck with you without repercussion, even if you have a legit reason for carrying a tool in your vehicle and no possibility of ever being charged. I think I posted about the guy who drove down here from Hokkaido before? Pulled over because his off road vehicle "looked strange" and then arrested for the survival tools and such he had mounted on the vehicle. Too many police in Tokyo + excuses like this to make arrests = fucked up shit happening to ordinary people.
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Russell » Sun May 07, 2017 12:52 pm

Yokohammer wrote:Coligny,

Yes, I get that. I even said that the guy was probably up to no good. What bothers me is the way it is presented by the police.

His crime was trespassing with probable intent to break and enter, not carrying screwdrivers. And yet, no doubt due to some sort of twisted legal protocol (e.g. "probable" is not legal grounds for anything ... yet, although Abe is working on that with the proposed conspiracy law), the police statement says that his crime was carrying screwdrivers. Or a flashlight. Or a saw in the trunk of a car. Or a piece of wire .... whatever. The police are stating that it is a crime to carry a screwdriver or a flashlight (circumstances are a subtext, and are their call). What effect does this have on the public? And more importantly, this is a power that has been abused again and again to drag innocent people in for questioning, in many cases probably just for the exercise of it.

Sort of an aside, but you know those pointy hammers that you're supposed to have in your car to break the glass in case you get trapped in an accident? Think about it. I'll bet they can be used to break skulls too. If you're caught sneaking around someone's property with one of those in your pocket you're probably fucked, and with good reason, but I can think of a dozen scenarios where even having one in your car could be trouble too. The police routinely twist the truth because, basically, they want to arrest people to fill a quota or have their boss tell them they're a good boy or get a promotion or look cool in front of their peers ... none of the above being part of their actual job.

I guess I'm in trouble. I usually carry at least four pointy hammers in each car, to make sure most passengers have access to them in case of emergency. (And they are very cheap: bought them at the 100 Yen shop.)

Anyway, it's the way Japanese police operates. They prefer to arrest someone for "unauthorized disposal of a body", rather than for "suspected murder".

I wonder if they can arrest you for having a boner at 4 a.m.
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby wagyl » Sun May 07, 2017 1:49 pm

Russell wrote:I wonder if they can arrest you for having a boner at 4 a.m.

Try it out the front of the koban, and then report back. Twenty three days later.
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby matsuki » Sun May 07, 2017 3:48 pm

Russell wrote:Anyway, it's the way Japanese police operates. They prefer to arrest someone for "unauthorized disposal of a body", rather than for "suspected murder".


Which is a nice way of saying that that if they want to arrest you, they will. (and probably can come up with multiple bizarre reasons why it is legal for them to do so) Most won't abuse this power but every once in awhile you get someone who does and there it makes the news for the masses to hidoine/shoganai it until it's no longer the topic of the day.

Russell wrote:I wonder if they can arrest you for having a boner at 4 a.m.


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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Coligny » Sun May 07, 2017 5:17 pm

Yokohammer wrote:Coligny,

Yes, I get that. I even said that the guy was probably up to no good. What bothers me is the way it is presented by the police.

His crime was trespassing with probable intent to break and enter, not carrying screwdrivers. And yet, no doubt due to some sort of twisted legal protocol (e.g. "probable" is not legal grounds for anything ... yet, although Abe is working on that with the proposed conspiracy law), the police statement says that his crime was carrying screwdrivers. Or a flashlight. Or a saw in the trunk of a car. Or a piece of wire .... whatever. The police are stating that it is a crime to carry a screwdriver or a flashlight (circumstances are a subtext, and are their call). What effect does this have on the public? And more importantly, this is a power that has been abused again and again to drag innocent people in for questioning, in many cases probably just for the exercise of it.

Sort of an aside, but you know those pointy hammers that you're supposed to have in your car to break the glass in case you get trapped in an accident? Think about it. I'll bet they can be used to break skulls too. If you're caught sneaking around someone's property with one of those in your pocket you're probably fucked, and with good reason, but I can think of a dozen scenarios where even having one in your car could be trouble too. The police routinely twist the truth because, basically, they want to arrest people to fill a quota or have their boss tell them they're a good boy or get a promotion or look cool in front of their peers ... none of the above being part of their actual job.


Yup, as I said I based my brainfart only on the turd dump from google translation.
I wonder if dropping by the local koban to get an acknowleged list of the tools you carry under the purpose of work , rescue or disaster mitigation... could cut short on potential issues.
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby J.A.F.O » Mon May 08, 2017 10:31 pm

Coligny wrote:Yay for bullshit...
I drive around with most tools needed for de-incarceration from a car wreck.
Which are de-facto tools needed to break into... most things I guess...


I keep a machete in the back of my van... A friend of mine told me I could be in serious trouble if I get searched for whatever reason. So I threw in a wood saw next to it just in case. I use it for clearing out some of the more overgrown areas, but an ounce of caution is worth ten pounds of regret as the saying goes.
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby wangta » Tue May 09, 2017 12:55 am

Taka-Okami wrote:
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That's almost as bad as the Untied States, where you get shot dead for breathing while black.


The darker the skin the lower the IQ. That's a proven fact.

The African trash they're allowing into Aus at the moment do most of the car jackings, aggravated burglaries. They kind of have to as due to their low IQ, can't compete with the whites and asians...Probably the same in the old USA. You will find over time as the Western countries become more polluted, the average IQ will reduce. :mrgreen:

https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country


It aint about skin colour - the problem is the scumbags Oz has been taking in since just before the mid 2000s are a lot different from the African refugees who came before.

And these scumbags do not have to compete - from the cradle to the grave, the child allowances, the educational allowances, the job search allowances, the dole, the rental assistance, the discount utilities and transport fares, the special positions created for them in a job market that is really tough for intelligent young people of other backgrounds, the public pension at 55 or so when they can retire from doing nothing and keep collecting money from the public.

Yeah that welfare system exists for others too but these scumbags proceed to shit on and trash over the society that gives it to them.

Many of that older generation of African refugees appreciated being in a safe country with heavily subsidised or free everything. They did not proceeds to behave like savages by gatecrashing parties advertised on facebook and trying to maim/kill partygoers who they never met in their lives. They used the free money and other welfare mostly to try and build a new life. They did not organise themselves into gangs and rob women and children of their money and mobile phones with no men around to stick up for the women and children.

These savages include the newer Muslims as well. It aint no secret that of the African cunts living on handouts for everything and still behaving like criminals, robbing and assaulting, etc, most of em are Muslim.

It's a fair observation that the more of these kinds of scumbag Muslims that come in with the free ride from Africa and the ME etc, the more confident they feel surrounded by more of their own to shit all over the society assisting them esp as that society has allowed political correctness and over-emphasised the so called right of these newcomers to scream discrimination at any attempts to make them understand that they aint in the 3rd world now and don't have reasons to create gangs, bring in first cousins from whatever shithold they come from to marry, order females to cover up, threaten to rape non Muslim females for wearing normal clothes that Aussies wear a la numerous beaches in Sydney not so many years ago etc.

Again before the opportunists came in by boats from the ME supposedly seeking asylum from conditons they then re-create in their new, safe countries and before Oz was screwed by the left side of politics and endless do gooders, some with disruptive agendas, the Muslims in Oz mostly were educated, and found it fine to live in a mostly secular Oz. The problem is the endless number of scumbags among the Africans and the grab bag of Muslims from various countries coming in under humanitarian programs.

The sense of entitlement is one of the worst factors. Many of these kinds of people honestly believe that we owe them big time. Even then, the no tax, handouts all the way treatment aint enough. 3rd world reaction to a wealthy society, even when that society is doing everything for them.

Especially by contrast to the no help most Aussie generations got from their govt especially as students when any student financial aid was so limited and even when it happened it was tied to your parents income which was considered too high even as average to less than average. Even when you lived away from home and got jack from you parents.

The scumbags from the 3rd world get generous allowances which seem to mostly be spent on the latest sneakers and flash clothes yet still scream about their right to live a middle class lifestyle or Aussies are being racist to them. They have been encouraged to resent the society around them for being affluent even while they benefit from it yet have contributed zilch. Except for crime in some cases. Even some of their own communities have had enough of em - the older Africans in some cases have called for these savages to be deported back home.

And it won't stop because our political masters somehow think these scumbags are going to fund the retirements of normal people in Oz by paying taxes. Yeah, right. Absolute cunts.
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Takechanpoo » Fri May 19, 2017 10:50 pm

マイナスドライバーでも、長さ15センチメートル以上で、先端の幅が0.5センチメートル以上のものは、対象となります(同法施行令第2条1号)。なお、プラスドライバーは対象となりません。

"among flat-head screwdrivers, illegal to carry is which length is over 15cm and which width of the tip is over 0.5cm. but cross-head driver is no problem to carry."
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Coligny » Sat May 20, 2017 5:20 am

Just when you thought this shithole could not be more retarded..,
I have 2 pry bars in the car. On theurpose of forcing open doors or panels.

Why ?

Because I've already been in a fire in a research lab. The fire started in locked secretary office. I was there at the start smelling the burn paperwork smell.
I only had a fire extinguisher. This plus the delay in the firemen arrival... meant quite some damage...

A pry bar or an axe iwould have saved the day....
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Russell » Sat May 20, 2017 7:36 am

Coligny wrote:Just when you thought this shithole could not be more retarded..,
I have 2 pry bars in the car. On theurpose of forcing open doors or panels.

Why ?

Because I've already been in a fire in a research lab. The fire started in locked secretary office. I was there at the start smelling the burn paperwork smell.
I only had a fire extinguisher. This plus the delay in the firemen arrival... meant quite some damage...

A pry bar or an axe iwould have saved the day....

Coligny, next time don't play with fire...
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Russell » Sat May 20, 2017 7:38 am

Takechanpoo wrote:
マイナスドライバーでも、長さ15センチメートル以上で、先端の幅が0.5センチメートル以上のものは、対象となります(同法施行令第2条1号)。なお、プラスドライバーは対象となりません。

"among flat-head screwdrivers, illegal to carry is which length is over 15cm and which width of the tip is over 0.5cm. but cross-head driver is no problem to carry."
https://www.bengo4.com/c_1009/n_6101/
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And the irony is, a minus driver with a tip width not exceeding 5mm is an excellent stabbing weapon...
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Yokohammer » Sat May 20, 2017 9:16 am

Russell wrote:
Takechanpoo wrote:
マイナスドライバーでも、長さ15センチメートル以上で、先端の幅が0.5センチメートル以上のものは、対象となります(同法施行令第2条1号)。なお、プラスドライバーは対象となりません。

"among flat-head screwdrivers, illegal to carry is which length is over 15cm and which width of the tip is over 0.5cm. but cross-head driver is no problem to carry."
https://www.bengo4.com/c_1009/n_6101/
if you need to read the full text, googletranslate it.

And the irony is, a minus driver with a tip width not exceeding 5mm is an excellent stabbing weapon...

I think the reason is more that they can be used to pry rather than stab. A wider tip would be better for prying, and of course longer means more leverage.

But the 15cm bit is rather vague. The Japanese at Take's link simply says "flat-head screwdrivers longer than 15cm" without specifying whether that is total length including handle or blade length. A 15cm screwdriver, including handle, is a pretty short screwdriver, but it would be safer to assume that that's what they mean.
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Grumpy Gramps » Sat May 20, 2017 1:24 pm

My car, in its original tool kit, came with a pretty sturdy wrench to loosen the wheel nuts in case of a flat tyre. On the other end of that wrench, there is a ~prybar - surely more than 5mm, which comes in handy if you need to remove hub caps.

Wonder, how many people drive around with all these illegal weapons...

BTW: Car-jacks are also pretty good, if you need to beat someone down or ram your way through a flimsy Japanese door.
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Wage Slave » Sat May 20, 2017 1:26 pm

A screwdriver is a screwdriver and a prybar is a prybar. A screwdriver is illegal but a prybar is not I suppose.
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Yokohammer » Sat May 20, 2017 1:41 pm

Wage Slave wrote:A screwdriver is a screwdriver and a prybar is a prybar. A screwdriver is illegal but a prybar is not I suppose.

Prybars longer than 24cm with a head wider than 2cm are illegal too.
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Postby Wage Slave » Sat May 20, 2017 2:44 pm

Yokohammer wrote:
Wage Slave wrote:A screwdriver is a screwdriver and a prybar is a prybar. A screwdriver is illegal but a prybar is not I suppose.

Prybars longer than 24cm with a head wider than 2cm are illegal too.


Aha, thanks. They've thought of everything then. I suppose my tyre wrench might just sneak in under that then. Mr C's emergency equipment might not. Provided he refrains from pulling into other people's parking at 4 in the morning without any legitimate reason I suspect it doesn't matter.
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Mike Oxlong » Sat May 20, 2017 3:23 pm

Wage Slave wrote:
Yokohammer wrote:
Wage Slave wrote:A screwdriver is a screwdriver and a prybar is a prybar. A screwdriver is illegal but a prybar is not I suppose.

Prybars longer than 24cm with a head wider than 2cm are illegal too.


Aha, thanks. They've thought of everything then. I suppose my tyre wrench might just sneak in under that then. Mr C's emergency equipment might not. Provided he refrains from pulling into other people's parking at 4 in the morning without any legitimate reason I suspect it doesn't matter.

Agreed. It's Russell out for a midnight spin among the rice paddies in his kei who should be concerned. :razz:
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Russell » Sat May 20, 2017 4:43 pm

Mike Oxlong wrote:
Wage Slave wrote:
Yokohammer wrote:
Wage Slave wrote:A screwdriver is a screwdriver and a prybar is a prybar. A screwdriver is illegal but a prybar is not I suppose.

Prybars longer than 24cm with a head wider than 2cm are illegal too.


Aha, thanks. They've thought of everything then. I suppose my tyre wrench might just sneak in under that then. Mr C's emergency equipment might not. Provided he refrains from pulling into other people's parking at 4 in the morning without any legitimate reason I suspect it doesn't matter.

Agreed. It's Russell out for a midnight spin among the rice paddies in his kei who should be concerned. :razz:

It was not among the rice paddies!

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Postby wagyl » Sat May 20, 2017 5:55 pm

Ahh, the gentle, rhythmic splash of the waves against the sandy Shikoku shore. Romance!

And if the police saw you with the biggest, hardest-working tool out of your trousers, you would be under arrest!
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Postby Russell » Sat May 20, 2017 6:08 pm

wagyl wrote:Ahh, the gentle, rhythmic splash of the waves against the sandy Shikoku shore. Romance!

And if the police saw you with the biggest, hardest-working tool out of your trousers, you would be under arrest!

Yep, given its dimensions, I probably would...
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Coligny » Sun May 21, 2017 11:36 am

Yokohammer wrote:
Wage Slave wrote:A screwdriver is a screwdriver and a prybar is a prybar. A screwdriver is illegal but a prybar is not I suppose.

Prybars longer than 24cm with a head wider than 2cm are illegal too.



Sooo... a 20 long with 1.5 cm tip prybar is legal...

While a 16 long with 1 cm screwdriver is illegal...

Are the people in this shithole naturally that stupid or they have a special training/diet to lower them at the IQ level of a dead mouse.

Because just reading Takarembe, you could blame it to foetal alcohol poisonning. But with this it make you wonder how many prego sluts they had to booze up during their shift at a second rate fetish soapland...
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Coligny » Sun May 21, 2017 11:40 am

Wage Slave wrote:
Yokohammer wrote:
Wage Slave wrote:A screwdriver is a screwdriver and a prybar is a prybar. A screwdriver is illegal but a prybar is not I suppose.

Prybars longer than 24cm with a head wider than 2cm are illegal too.


Aha, thanks. They've thought of everything then. I suppose my tyre wrench might just sneak in under that then. Mr C's emergency equipment might not. Provided he refrains from pulling into other people's parking at 4 in the morning without any legitimate reason I suspect it doesn't matter.



Don't get me started... I have to debrief on private thread my latest run-in with the law. It's still a situation in progress. (Long story short... i don't have a problem with the law... the law managed to get into trouble with me...)
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby matsuki » Sun May 21, 2017 7:45 pm

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Japan doesn't even need their own Trump, they've got that mentality already embedded in the law...
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby Takechanpoo » Mon May 22, 2017 1:57 am

just look at the name of the law to crack down on this kind of cases.
特殊開錠用具の所持の禁止等に関する法律(the law about prohibiting to possess special unlocking tools, etc)
j-polices seem to give weight to controlling non-violent crimes because, as you do know, there are far less violent crimes happening here in japan, compared to the violent western societies.
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby matsuki » Mon May 22, 2017 11:24 am

Takechanpoo wrote:just look at the name of the law to crack down on this kind of cases.
特殊開錠用具の所持の禁止等に関する法律(the law about prohibiting to possess special unlocking tools, etc)
j-polices seem to give weight to controlling non-violent crimes because, as you do know, there are far less violent crimes happening here in japan, compared to the violent western societies.


...because the average screwdriver is a "special unlocking tool?"
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Re: Dangerous Stranger Case(声かけ事案)

Postby wagyl » Mon May 22, 2017 2:07 pm

matsuki wrote:...because the average screwdriver is a "special unlocking tool?"

I see that you grew up in the leafier less shit parts of LA.
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