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The allegation arrested possessed two minus drivers forbidden to carry in the passenger car which had stopped at the apartment parking lot in the city after 4:30 am on the 3rd, despite having no just reason I was doubtful.
Yokohammer wrote:Coligny,
Yes, I get that. I even said that the guy was probably up to no good. What bothers me is the way it is presented by the police.
His crime was trespassing with probable intent to break and enter, not carrying screwdrivers. And yet, no doubt due to some sort of twisted legal protocol (e.g. "probable" is not legal grounds for anything ... yet, although Abe is working on that with the proposed conspiracy law), the police statement says that his crime was carrying screwdrivers. Or a flashlight. Or a saw in the trunk of a car. Or a piece of wire .... whatever. The police are stating that it is a crime to carry a screwdriver or a flashlight (circumstances are a subtext, and are their call). What effect does this have on the public? And more importantly, this is a power that has been abused again and again to drag innocent people in for questioning, in many cases probably just for the exercise of it.
Sort of an aside, but you know those pointy hammers that you're supposed to have in your car to break the glass in case you get trapped in an accident? Think about it. I'll bet they can be used to break skulls too. If you're caught sneaking around someone's property with one of those in your pocket you're probably fucked, and with good reason, but I can think of a dozen scenarios where even having one in your car could be trouble too. The police routinely twist the truth because, basically, they want to arrest people to fill a quota or have their boss tell them they're a good boy or get a promotion or look cool in front of their peers ... none of the above being part of their actual job.
Russell wrote:I wonder if they can arrest you for having a boner at 4 a.m.
Russell wrote:Anyway, it's the way Japanese police operates. They prefer to arrest someone for "unauthorized disposal of a body", rather than for "suspected murder".
Russell wrote:I wonder if they can arrest you for having a boner at 4 a.m.
Yokohammer wrote:Coligny,
Yes, I get that. I even said that the guy was probably up to no good. What bothers me is the way it is presented by the police.
His crime was trespassing with probable intent to break and enter, not carrying screwdrivers. And yet, no doubt due to some sort of twisted legal protocol (e.g. "probable" is not legal grounds for anything ... yet, although Abe is working on that with the proposed conspiracy law), the police statement says that his crime was carrying screwdrivers. Or a flashlight. Or a saw in the trunk of a car. Or a piece of wire .... whatever. The police are stating that it is a crime to carry a screwdriver or a flashlight (circumstances are a subtext, and are their call). What effect does this have on the public? And more importantly, this is a power that has been abused again and again to drag innocent people in for questioning, in many cases probably just for the exercise of it.
Sort of an aside, but you know those pointy hammers that you're supposed to have in your car to break the glass in case you get trapped in an accident? Think about it. I'll bet they can be used to break skulls too. If you're caught sneaking around someone's property with one of those in your pocket you're probably fucked, and with good reason, but I can think of a dozen scenarios where even having one in your car could be trouble too. The police routinely twist the truth because, basically, they want to arrest people to fill a quota or have their boss tell them they're a good boy or get a promotion or look cool in front of their peers ... none of the above being part of their actual job.
Coligny wrote:Yay for bullshit...
I drive around with most tools needed for de-incarceration from a car wreck.
Which are de-facto tools needed to break into... most things I guess...
Taka-Okami wrote:Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:
That's almost as bad as the Untied States, where you get shot dead for breathing while black.
The darker the skin the lower the IQ. That's a proven fact.
The African trash they're allowing into Aus at the moment do most of the car jackings, aggravated burglaries. They kind of have to as due to their low IQ, can't compete with the whites and asians...Probably the same in the old USA. You will find over time as the Western countries become more polluted, the average IQ will reduce.
https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country
マイナスドライバーでも、長さ15センチメートル以上で、先端の幅が0.5センチメートル以上のものは、対象となります(同法施行令第2条1号)。なお、プラスドライバーは対象となりません。
Coligny wrote:Just when you thought this shithole could not be more retarded..,
I have 2 pry bars in the car. On theurpose of forcing open doors or panels.
Why ?
Because I've already been in a fire in a research lab. The fire started in locked secretary office. I was there at the start smelling the burn paperwork smell.
I only had a fire extinguisher. This plus the delay in the firemen arrival... meant quite some damage...
A pry bar or an axe iwould have saved the day....
Takechanpoo wrote:マイナスドライバーでも、長さ15センチメートル以上で、先端の幅が0.5センチメートル以上のものは、対象となります(同法施行令第2条1号)。なお、プラスドライバーは対象となりません。
"among flat-head screwdrivers, illegal to carry is which length is over 15cm and which width of the tip is over 0.5cm. but cross-head driver is no problem to carry."
https://www.bengo4.com/c_1009/n_6101/
if you need to read the full text, googletranslate it.
Russell wrote:Takechanpoo wrote:マイナスドライバーでも、長さ15センチメートル以上で、先端の幅が0.5センチメートル以上のものは、対象となります(同法施行令第2条1号)。なお、プラスドライバーは対象となりません。
"among flat-head screwdrivers, illegal to carry is which length is over 15cm and which width of the tip is over 0.5cm. but cross-head driver is no problem to carry."
https://www.bengo4.com/c_1009/n_6101/
if you need to read the full text, googletranslate it.
And the irony is, a minus driver with a tip width not exceeding 5mm is an excellent stabbing weapon...
Wage Slave wrote:A screwdriver is a screwdriver and a prybar is a prybar. A screwdriver is illegal but a prybar is not I suppose.
Yokohammer wrote:Wage Slave wrote:A screwdriver is a screwdriver and a prybar is a prybar. A screwdriver is illegal but a prybar is not I suppose.
Prybars longer than 24cm with a head wider than 2cm are illegal too.
Wage Slave wrote:Yokohammer wrote:Wage Slave wrote:A screwdriver is a screwdriver and a prybar is a prybar. A screwdriver is illegal but a prybar is not I suppose.
Prybars longer than 24cm with a head wider than 2cm are illegal too.
Aha, thanks. They've thought of everything then. I suppose my tyre wrench might just sneak in under that then. Mr C's emergency equipment might not. Provided he refrains from pulling into other people's parking at 4 in the morning without any legitimate reason I suspect it doesn't matter.
Mike Oxlong wrote:Wage Slave wrote:Yokohammer wrote:Wage Slave wrote:A screwdriver is a screwdriver and a prybar is a prybar. A screwdriver is illegal but a prybar is not I suppose.
Prybars longer than 24cm with a head wider than 2cm are illegal too.
Aha, thanks. They've thought of everything then. I suppose my tyre wrench might just sneak in under that then. Mr C's emergency equipment might not. Provided he refrains from pulling into other people's parking at 4 in the morning without any legitimate reason I suspect it doesn't matter.
Agreed. It's Russell out for a midnight spin among the rice paddies in his kei who should be concerned.
wagyl wrote:Ahh, the gentle, rhythmic splash of the waves against the sandy Shikoku shore. Romance!
And if the police saw you with the biggest, hardest-working tool out of your trousers, you would be under arrest!
Yokohammer wrote:Wage Slave wrote:A screwdriver is a screwdriver and a prybar is a prybar. A screwdriver is illegal but a prybar is not I suppose.
Prybars longer than 24cm with a head wider than 2cm are illegal too.
Wage Slave wrote:Yokohammer wrote:Wage Slave wrote:A screwdriver is a screwdriver and a prybar is a prybar. A screwdriver is illegal but a prybar is not I suppose.
Prybars longer than 24cm with a head wider than 2cm are illegal too.
Aha, thanks. They've thought of everything then. I suppose my tyre wrench might just sneak in under that then. Mr C's emergency equipment might not. Provided he refrains from pulling into other people's parking at 4 in the morning without any legitimate reason I suspect it doesn't matter.
Takechanpoo wrote:just look at the name of the law to crack down on this kind of cases.
特殊開錠用具の所持の禁止等に関する法律(the law about prohibiting to possess special unlocking tools, etc)
j-polices seem to give weight to controlling non-violent crimes because, as you do know, there are far less violent crimes happening here in japan, compared to the violent western societies.
matsuki wrote:...because the average screwdriver is a "special unlocking tool?"
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