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by David Aldwinckle, a 39-year-old U.S.-born local resident who is now a naturalized Japanese with the name of Debito Arudou....
maraboutslim wrote:I'm just saying he needs to go about creating change in a method appropriate for Japanese society. And you know, if he did that, he may actually accomplish something. His current approach is doomed.
The owner of an onsen or any business should be able to refuse whomever he pleases for whatever reasons. It's his fucking place.
tetsujin gaijin wrote:The owner of an onsen or any business should be able to refuse whomever he pleases for whatever reasons. It's his fucking place.
Just like "no negros allowed", huh?
AssKissinger wrote:tetsujin gaijin wrote:The owner of an onsen or any business should be able to refuse whomever he pleases for whatever reasons. It's his fucking place.
Just like "no negros allowed", huh?
Comparing the life of FG's to blacks during the civil rights struggle in America is outrageous.
AssKissinger wrote:Comparing the life of FG's to blacks during the civil rights struggle in America is outrageous.tetsujin gaijin wrote:The owner of an onsen or any business should be able to refuse whomever he pleases for whatever reasons. It's his fucking place.
Just like "no negros allowed", huh?
Sure, we aren't lynched (unlike the koreans were in 1923), but is still makes life difficult when you can't get an apartment due to the color of your skin.AssKissinger wrote:The main difference is that blacks were terrorized on a daily basis in America and we aren't.
maraboutslim wrote:See, the issue was behavior, not the color of your skin or your citizenship status. They were concerned that you may not know the way to behave like a Japanese. I'm sure the Onsen felt the same way about Debito, and he proved them right the second he opened his mouth in a way no Japanese would have.
Big Booger wrote:then why in the hell don't they write down the rules in Engrish? If they are that concerned?
maraboutslim wrote:Bottom line is that 1% of the population should not have the right to try to tell the other 99% what they can and can't do, unless it rises to the level of life and death.
omae mona wrote:maraboutslim wrote:Bottom line is that 1% of the population should not have the right to try to tell the other 99% what they can and can't do, unless it rises to the level of life and death.
Whether it "should" be this way or not, in many countries (such as the U.S.) the law does give 1% of the population the right to tell the other 99% what to do. The U.S. constitution protects rights of minorities, even if 99% of the population wants to kill them, for example. The U.S. does not simply run on majority rule. I believe the SCOTUS has often used these equal protection principles to decide in favor of mandating handicap-accessible facilities (not just government, but private too), etc.
Whether any of this applies to Japan or not, I have no idea.
As much as I hate the idea of anybody discriminating on the basis of race or nationality, I personally have never felt I had the right to be treated equally in Japan. I'm not a citizen. Are those legal protections supposed to apply to visitors? If I were a Japanese citizen I would sure be ticked off if I were treated unfairly. I believe that Debito was not a citizen when the original event took place, by the way.
All the hearsay I've seen points to a trend that if you go in and act like the Japanese and speak perfect (or maybe even just good) Japanese, you tend to get equal treatment regardless of skin color. Anybody have stories to the contrary?
Big Booger wrote: Right before it came, we got up and left. I could see her bringing the items I'd ordered.
Big Booger wrote:I know one thing, I was refused service in Umeda (Osaka) at an udon restaurant, so I and my group made a fuss. So they decided to go ahead and serve me. Right before it came, we got up and left. I could see her bringing the items I'd ordered.
Right before it came, we got up and left. I could see her bringing the items I'd ordered.
They even tried to make me pay for it.. I laughed as hard as I could and went on to some other place. Fuck them.. my money spends just as easily elsewhere
Oh fuck that. We don't need a fucking Dr Rev Martin Luther King Jr here for God's sake!That's the problem with this stuff: the offended gaijin is always thinking about me, me, me and not the best way to improve the situation for the future
In Japan Town in San Francisco they tried to make sento type bath houses but they got infested with queers. They wanted a little space where they could enjoy their culture but when they went to the bath everybody was butt-fucking each other. They tried to make it Japanese only but no no no thanks to the liberal 'we gotta have everybody everywhere all the time love love love' all the bath houses were ruined for the Japanese people. It's fucking BULLSHIT. It has nothing in common with the desegregation of the American south.If you had an onsen in America, you wouldn't refuse entry to Black People, not because you were afraid of a law-suit but because you respect their human rights.
There is no cause.Well, that really helped the cause
AssKissinger wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again Debito is a big dick. The owner of an onsen or any business should be able to refuse whomever he pleases for whatever reasons. It's his fucking place.
AssKissinger wrote:tetsujin gaijin wrote:The owner of an onsen or any business should be able to refuse whomever he pleases for whatever reasons. It's his fucking place.
Just like "no negros allowed", huh?
Comparing the life of FG's to blacks during the civil rights struggle in America is outrageous.
Big Booger wrote:I know one thing, I was refused service in Umeda (Osaka) at an udon restaurant, so I and my group made a fuss. So they decided to go ahead and serve me. Right before it came, we got up and left. I could see her bringing the items I'd ordered.
They even tried to make me pay for it.. I laughed as hard as I could and went on to some other place.Fuck them.. my money spends just as easily elsewhere.
What would be funny is to protest outside of these places with a lot of other fucked gaijin, with signs and shit. Call the mass media, and get them down (if they'd come at all). I think that would be a riot and might change the attitudes of a business owner.
Imagine the US/UK/Oz, etc.. refusing service to "orientals" because they are asian...
Discrimination is discrimination even if it is 1% or .0001%... And my point about the language issue is, if indeed it is the language issue, having an Engrish, Chinese, or Russian sign up, would solve the problem.
It has to be a hatred toward foreigners. And citizen or no citizen, discrimination is the same. We should treat all people equally regardless.
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